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Please don’t let anyone Americanise it (1992)

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Re: Please don’t let anyone Americanise it (1992)

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Are you sure this is not just the amount of exposure to each type of clock? On the other hand, I’ve noticed that children who understand how to read only digital clocks are quite capable of answering what the time is (just read the numbers right off), but have trouble telling how many hours there are from 10am to 3pm.

Great argument for using the 24h clock ;-)

Ever seen the 24h analog clock? :)

https://m8y.org/images/24.svg

Re: Please don’t let anyone Americanise it (1992)

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His argument about digital watches did not age well. My kids have known how to understand a digital clock since they were toddlers, but even now, in elementary school, they require entire lesson units in school on telling time from a clock face. Beyond that, he argues that pie charts tell us more about the relationship between things than tables of numbers, and a clock face is "the world's most perfect pie chart." Bu…

> His argument about digital watches did not age well. Didn't it? I think it remains true. Time is a continuum, not discrete; analogue watches demonstrate that, while digital ones do not. And yes, schools have to teach one how to use a clock, but at the end of the process one actually has enhanced one's understanding of time. Much like using a slide rule teaches one far more about numbers and maths than using a calcu…

If you are talking about 12-hour analogue watches, no. They wrap the continuous time into some non-intuitive measure that needs an external context to determine the actual time of day. They rather demonstrate that time needs to be as precise and accurate as needed; the continuity of time doesn't always matter.

Re: Please don’t let anyone Americanise it (1992)

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> His argument about digital watches did not age well. Didn't it? I think it remains true. Time is a continuum, not discrete; analogue watches demonstrate that, while digital ones do not. And yes, schools have to teach one how to use a clock, but at the end of the process one actually has enhanced one's understanding of time. Much like using a slide rule teaches one far more about numbers and maths than using a calcu…

I don't think that analogue watches demonstrate the continuous nature of time. They tick . That's discretizing time. Sure you can omit the seconds hand or even make it run smoothly, and some do, but that's not reflective of the nature of the timepiece. You could just as well make a digital clock that fades out the unit seconds digit as the new one fades in. Or show digits until a blurby hundredth of a second, which s…

That’s why the continuous motion ones are so sought after and pricy. The mechanical continuous motion watches are really marvelous feats of engineering

Re: Please don’t let anyone Americanise it (1992)

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His argument about digital watches did not age well. My kids have known how to understand a digital clock since they were toddlers, but even now, in elementary school, they require entire lesson units in school on telling time from a clock face. Beyond that, he argues that pie charts tell us more about the relationship between things than tables of numbers, and a clock face is "the world's most perfect pie chart." Bu…

Funny how we got downgraded into "smart watches" that barely hold a charge for a day and are good at everything other than telling the bloody time. Having an always on display is an actual feature nowadays lol

There are smart watches that will go for weeks on a charge. They automatically set time based on the cell phone network and GPS so are always accurate to within 1 second.

https://www.garmin.com/en-US/p/702797

Re: Please don’t let anyone Americanise it (1992)

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Same. I can do it. But not fast.

Also same, this seems to be related to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyscalculia

I am just apparently very bad at estimating which hand is the longer one (if there's not a huge amount of difference). Once I figured that out... reading the time is not a problem.

Re: Please don’t let anyone Americanise it (1992)

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There's a deeply frustrating infantilisation when something is localized in the same language. My kids and I love Bluey, an Australian show, but apparently the producers had to refuse to have it redone with US and UK accents to stop it happening. Never understood what the problem with having David Attenborough instead of Sigourney Weaver narrate Planet Earth was either.

When my son was little we used to watch "Bob the Builder" together, but apparently the producers didn't feel the same as the Bluey ones or didn't have as much sway. Our local station switched to a dubbed version with American accents and it was just awful and pointless. So now they say "soccer" instead of "football", so what? It lost most of its charm.

Re: Please don’t let anyone Americanise it (1992)

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His argument about digital watches did not age well. My kids have known how to understand a digital clock since they were toddlers, but even now, in elementary school, they require entire lesson units in school on telling time from a clock face. Beyond that, he argues that pie charts tell us more about the relationship between things than tables of numbers, and a clock face is "the world's most perfect pie chart." Bu…

Funny how we got downgraded into "smart watches" that barely hold a charge for a day and are good at everything other than telling the bloody time. Having an always on display is an actual feature nowadays lol

We could have had Pebble, never forget what they took from you

Re: Please don’t let anyone Americanise it (1992)

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Great argument for using the 24h clock ;-)

Ever seen the 24h analog clock? :) https://m8y.org/images/24.svg

I have the widget on my phone, it uses local sunrise/sunset to adjust the nighttime shaded area: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=info.staticfre...

Re: Please don’t let anyone Americanise it (1992)

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There's a deeply frustrating infantilisation when something is localized in the same language. My kids and I love Bluey, an Australian show, but apparently the producers had to refuse to have it redone with US and UK accents to stop it happening. Never understood what the problem with having David Attenborough instead of Sigourney Weaver narrate Planet Earth was either.

In my experience, some people in the US/Canada struggle to understand a British accent and this might be one reason to dub it into another accent.

My brother tried to order an apple pie fritter in Canada and the woman didn't understand what he was asking for. When he proncounced it fridder, she did :-) I understood both ways perfectly well but hey!

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