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Re: Configuring My Machines with Bashtard

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Post by kelnos »

dhzhzjsbevs wrote: post #17
dsizzle wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW my first thought was the same as GP, and then only later did I consider that maybe it's punning on bastard, but I still wasn't sure. Probably better to pick another name and not have to keep explaining it.

Why does it need explaining. Even if it was a play on retard I think it's really none of your business what someone calls their thing. The kneejerk response here to be "you have change its name" is so damn entitled.

How is it entitled to ask people not to use names that are a play on slurs against people with developmental disorders?

Re: Configuring My Machines with Bashtard

#33

Post by kelnos »

boardwaalk wrote: post #10
YATA2 wrote: post #2

That name is problematic as it's too close to an abelist slur. You should change it to something like Bashfig, Bashful, etc. to be more inclusive.

Oh, come on. It’s a lot, lot closer to bastard than retard or tard. At some point people have to own their own misperceptions.

I first read it as "bash retard", but then thought a little more and hoped it was a play on "bastard". But then the author later (but not very clearly) explains the pronunciation, which makes me think it's intended to be "bash retard". Not a good look, if my interpretation is correct.

Re: Configuring My Machines with Bashtard

#34

Post by kelnos »

dhzhzjsbevs wrote: post #21
AlecSchueler wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It needs to be explained that it's not using ableist language, meaning that every time it's shared a discussion like this one will take place, regardless of what you think about it.

> It needs to be explained that it's not using ableist language Why? This doesn't logically follow to the author renaming their thing unless you think speech policing on the internet is some kind of valid passtime or has any weight on anything in the real world. > meaning that every time it's shared a discussion like this one will take place So it's a good PR move because the PC police can't figure out that just mayb…

It doesn't matter if you believe speech policing is valid or not. It does and will happen. I mean, look here: right now the top two top-level comments here are about the name, rather than talking about the project itself.

It's irrelevant what should or should not be, in this case. If you want to avoid people discussing potential controversy around the name you've chosen, then don't choose a name that has controversy potential (and if you do that by accident, graciously change it). I'm talking about outcomes here, not about what anyone might think should or shouldn't happen.

Re: Configuring My Machines with Bashtard

#35

Post by bsder »

boardwaalk wrote: post #10
YATA2 wrote: post #2

That name is problematic as it's too close to an abelist slur. You should change it to something like Bashfig, Bashful, etc. to be more inclusive.

Oh, come on. It’s a lot, lot closer to bastard than retard or tard. At some point people have to own their own misperceptions.

Yeah, I read that as Sean Connery saying "Bastard".

Re: Configuring My Machines with Bashtard

#36

Post by kelnos »

rgoulter wrote: post #28
RockRobotRock wrote: post #9

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I'm all for funny names, but giving your project a needlessly inflammatory name, to me signals that the author doesn't have an interest in working with the greater open-source community to develop it further or adopt it.

> signals that the author doesn't have an interest in working with the greater open-source community to develop it further or adopt it. This reminds me, there's a somewhat inherent affiliation in the flamewar over the branch name master/main. The people who use "master" clearly don't think it's a bad term to use, and probably think being upset over it is silly. Those who use "main" either think it's (to some extent)…

The thing that bothers me about the people who dig in and insist on continuing to use "master" is that... well... this is the hill they want to die on? If changing was some big expensive process, or if it was a name that held some sort of special historical significance (or whatever), I could maybe see the argument against. But it's... the original default branch name of a source control tool. Get over it and move on, maybe?

(Having said that, I still haven't gotten around to renaming all my existing repositories...)

Re: Configuring My Machines with Bashtard

#37

Post by kelnos »

maleldil wrote: post #14
thematrixturtle wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think GP is referring to the politically incorrect "-tard" part of the name.

Bashtard is one letter away from bastard. You're stretching if you're reading it as retard.

Based on the blurb in the article, I think (though it's not fully clear) that the author intends "bash retard".

Re: Configuring My Machines with Bashtard

#38

Post by epicide »

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #29
notatoad wrote: post #27

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my experience with ansible is that it offers a suggestion of idempotency, but there's always plenty of room to ignore the best practices. IMHO it's better to have no guarantee than a vague suggestion that you might tend to rely on but then be bitten because there's nothing actually enforcing the guarantee.

I'm pretty sure that all of Ansible's core builtins guarantee idempotency

The core builtins help you to write idempotent playbooks, but it is far from a guarantee.

One simple example would just be to use the command task, which executes an arbitrary command. You, the developer, are responsible for telling Ansible how that should be made idempotent.

Re: Configuring My Machines with Bashtard

#39

Post by chris_wot »

kelnos wrote: post #31
dhzhzjsbevs wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does it need explaining. Even if it was a play on retard I think it's really none of your business what someone calls their thing. The kneejerk response here to be "you have change its name" is so damn entitled.

How is it entitled to ask people not to use names that are a play on slurs against people with developmental disorders?

Ask, or demand?

Re: Configuring My Machines with Bashtard

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Post by ge96 »

dsizzle wrote: post #13
boardwaalk wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, come on. It’s a lot, lot closer to bastard than retard or tard. At some point people have to own their own misperceptions.

FWIW my first thought was the same as GP, and then only later did I consider that maybe it's punning on bastard, but I still wasn't sure. Probably better to pick another name and not have to keep explaining it.

b$st$rd maybe
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