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IPhone 4S has GLONASS in addition to GPS

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Re: IPhone 4S has GLONASS in addition to GPS

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I don't understand from your table how the combined use of GPS+GLONASS would have a worse 'best case', 2.00 for GPS alone vs 2.37 for GPS+GLONASS.

I would imagine for the same reason as wearing two watches doesn't improve your knowledge of the current time. You're more likely to be within the largest margin of error (i.e., the latest time on either of the watches is probably no later than the current time), but what can you say about the earliest time? Since it's equally likely to be correct on either watch, the only thing you can do is average it. But in the c…

So, if I understand you correctly, the average error decreases but the best error actually increases?

Re: IPhone 4S has GLONASS in addition to GPS

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From which: To improve development of the user segment, on August 11, 2010, Sergei Ivanov announced a plan to introduce a 25% import duty on all GPS-capable devices, including mobile phones, unless they are compatible with GLONASS. I think I can see why the GPS chipsets are starting to adopt this...

That's a 25% import duty on devices imported into the Russian federal territory.

Yeah, sorry - that's not totally obvious from the bit I snipped. Apple (and presumably the other phone manufacturers) do sell into Russia, and a 25% import duty would probably have a significant impact on their sales.

Re: IPhone 4S has GLONASS in addition to GPS

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Precisions: * GPS: 2.00—8.76 m * GLONASS: 4.46—7.38 m * GPS+GLONASS: 2.37—4.65 m [citation needed] (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GLONASS ).

I'm wondering whether it actually matters to people whether their GPS device has 2, 4 or 7m accuracy. Anything with lower resolution than about 5 cm is going to be largely useless for robotic driving, etc, particularly anything worse than 2 m res - so really (and not meaning to be rude to you and your research efforts) - isn't the different resolution irrelevant, and isn't the only reason GPS users should be happy ab…

It means more satellites in the constellation(s), and in circumstances where that makes the difference between getting a GPS/GLONASS fix and having to rely on cell tower/WiFi positioning then the difference in accuracy would be very significant.

Re: IPhone 4S has GLONASS in addition to GPS

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I don't see a reference to GLONASS in the sub's page.

Edit: It angers me that high-ranking users abuse their priviledge to downvote. I'm making a legitimate point here; I don't see "GLONASS" or any reference to alternative GPS in that page.

On Reddit, someone suggested that TIL links to Wikipedia should point to the specific information, not the whole article. It got >1000 upvotes. When I point out that there is no obvious link to the claim made in this submission, someone rates my comment as useless.

Re: IPhone 4S has GLONASS in addition to GPS

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would imagine for the same reason as wearing two watches doesn't improve your knowledge of the current time. You're more likely to be within the largest margin of error (i.e., the latest time on either of the watches is probably no later than the current time), but what can you say about the earliest time? Since it's equally likely to be correct on either watch, the only thing you can do is average it. But in the c…

So, if I understand you correctly, the average error decreases but the best error actually increases?

I don't know the explanation, but I know this comes up in biometrics a lot. E.g. using fingerprints + facial geometry to identify someone is much less accurate than using either one or the other. Bruce Schneier has written about this in his book Beyond Fear, and I'm sure there are explanations online somewhere.

Re: IPhone 4S has GLONASS in addition to GPS

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Anyone tested iPhone navigation in a gps blackout area (e.g. Near an air force base?). I used to live in Lompoc and GPS wouldn't work in most of the town owing to the proximity of Vandenberg AFB.

GLONASS uses nearly the same frequency range as GPS, so the answer is no.

Tangentially related - IIRC GLONASS also happens to have an almost identical frame structure to GPS. Very peculiar fact given the context.

Re: IPhone 4S has GLONASS in addition to GPS

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I don't understand from your table how the combined use of GPS+GLONASS would have a worse 'best case', 2.00 for GPS alone vs 2.37 for GPS+GLONASS.

I would imagine for the same reason as wearing two watches doesn't improve your knowledge of the current time. You're more likely to be within the largest margin of error (i.e., the latest time on either of the watches is probably no later than the current time), but what can you say about the earliest time? Since it's equally likely to be correct on either watch, the only thing you can do is average it. But in the c…

If you expect that more information will decrease performance, your algorithms are seriously borked.

Re: IPhone 4S has GLONASS in addition to GPS

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I don't see a reference to GLONASS in the sub's page. Edit: It angers me that high-ranking users abuse their priviledge to downvote. I'm making a legitimate point here; I don't see "GLONASS" or any reference to alternative GPS in that page. On Reddit, someone suggested that TIL links to Wikipedia should point to the specific information, not the whole article. It got >1000 upvotes. When I point out that there is no o…

It's right there under "Location". You can search the page for "GLONASS" with Ctrl-F or Cmd-F depending on your OS.

Re: IPhone 4S has GLONASS in addition to GPS

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Precisions: * GPS: 2.00—8.76 m * GLONASS: 4.46—7.38 m * GPS+GLONASS: 2.37—4.65 m [citation needed] (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GLONASS ).

I don't understand from your table how the combined use of GPS+GLONASS would have a worse 'best case', 2.00 for GPS alone vs 2.37 for GPS+GLONASS.

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