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Dude, where's my fuel?

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Re: Dude, where's my fuel?

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Post by tuatoru »

Manuel_D wrote: post #17
ncmncm wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe, just maybe , they understand the actual business they are actually in better than you do?

I think they understand what they need to say to get investments. This could be a huge development in fuel technology. Or if could be to fuels what the Hyperloop is to transportation. The OP explains that the main reason why they aren't delivering fuel is because they can't perform the carbon-dioxide separation cheaply enough. So, they have a plan to deliver cheap captured-carbon fuels, once they solve the issue that…

Got to say I agree with this. Having read the text (thanks, neonate!), I see a lot of buzz-wordy obscurantism and complexification, and no mention of this, the core problem, except "we capture carbon dioxide in water".

Re: Dude, where's my fuel?

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Post by renewiltord »

No need to make cheap. Deliver 4 of these[0] a month to me in SF (can be all at once) and I'll pay you $200/mo committed to one year ($10/gal equivalent). You can require that the old cans be returned.

EDIT: I will pay one-time fee of 4*30 = $120 to get those first 4 cans.

EDIT-2: $12/gal if 93-octane equivalent

0: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07GBBG5LZ/

Re: Dude, where's my fuel?

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Post by no_wizard »

This all sounds amazing but it also gives me Theranos vibes. While I understand the general science around this has been around a long time (the aforementioned Fischer Tropsch process) I would love for this to get some independent scientific validation before I'm willing to buy in to their dream here. It just "feels" too good to be true. Even with the Faraday Reactor considerations

Seems much more scientifically plausible however. I'm just a natural skeptic.

Re: Dude, where's my fuel?

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Post by foobarian »

Oh I see, their lander is mining Bitcoins with my browser to subsidize the product. /s

Seriously, that page took 10s to load, pegged my laptop CPU and got the fans spinning. WTF?

Re: Dude, where's my fuel?

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Post by Rodeoclash »

onesafari wrote: post #18
sdkgjajggaf wrote: post #11

This page is completely unreadable due to the lagging custom scrolling they added. Just make a regular web page please.

What is the point of messing with scrolling behavior? Do people find this to be an improvement over the default?

It's become an instant close of the website for me now. I can't stand it.

Re: Dude, where's my fuel?

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Post by fswd »

no_wizard wrote: post #33

This all sounds amazing but it also gives me Theranos vibes. While I understand the general science around this has been around a long time (the aforementioned Fischer Tropsch process) I would love for this to get some independent scientific validation before I'm willing to buy in to their dream here. It just "feels" too good to be true. Even with the Faraday Reactor considerations Seems much more scientifically plau…

The theranos vibes you're feeling I believe is from a "flaw" they make an assumption solar is 1 or 2 cents a kilowatt-hour. This isn't true (maybe with subsidies IDK) but it costs more to ship solar panels, and the wiring, fuses, breaker box, charge controller, adds a huge significant cost. You can't just take a panel cost and divide it by the watts without this in consideration. And the land cost. And unless you live in Arizona you will have very low utilization.

BUT... when I lived on the grid I paid $.13/kwh. At 77kwh per gallon that puts us at $10.01/gallon. It is unknown if this is just syn gas or ethanol, or what the BTU of that gallon is. And this definitely isn't diesel, which would have the biggest impact. I know when my friend did bitcoin mining he was able to get $.03kwh so... let's use that 77 * .03 = $2.31. So between $10 and $3 a gallon is actually possible.

With gas over $5 or $6 (the company is in Santa Cruz? Their gas is probably $7 or $8 at this moment, I bet) ... this will work

The other issues are... United States uses 30TW of oil a day (convert barrels of oil to BTU and convert BTU to watt hours... to convert oil used per day in watts to speak of)... and 10TW of electricity a day.

To replace 'fossil' fuels we'd need ...70TW of electricity after inefficiency conversion.

There isn't enough copper, nickle, and silver to make all those solar panels. There isn't enough public support or political capital to build nuclear reactors either. This is another flaw.

Another commentor suggested, just replacing Russian's oil at 4 million barrels a day. That's possible. And it makes it exciting.

Re: Dude, where's my fuel?

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Post by Iwan-Zotow »

DennisP wrote: post #16
nyokodo wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Capture that entire market with v1 of the process even if it's $10/gallon. Take everything learned to make v2 at $7/gallon and v3 at $5/gallon etc... Due to Russian oil drying up volatile high prices globally will be the norm until technology like this comes into play and at least puts a ceiling on the price. So, the real question is how quickly and how cheaply can they reach 4 million barrels per day of production…

And if Peter Zeihan is right, the loss of Russian exports is just the beginning of oil supply disruption over the next decade.

India and China are not losing any Russian imports

Re: Dude, where's my fuel?

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Post by rmcginnis »

johngalt wrote: post #3

Prometheus should be laser focused on being first to market in commercial quantities. There are people who want carbon neutral fuels today even if they are more expensive than fossil fuels. Capture that entire market with v1 of the process even if it's $10/gallon. Take everything learned to make v2 at $7/gallon and v3 at $5/gallon etc... The goal of $3/gallon is pushing Prometheus down the rabbit hole. Waiting for th…

$3.00 / gallon is our v 1.0 (before taxes)

Re: Dude, where's my fuel?

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Post by rmcginnis »

db65edfc7996 wrote: post #30
johngalt wrote: post #3

Prometheus should be laser focused on being first to market in commercial quantities. There are people who want carbon neutral fuels today even if they are more expensive than fossil fuels. Capture that entire market with v1 of the process even if it's $10/gallon. Take everything learned to make v2 at $7/gallon and v3 at $5/gallon etc... The goal of $3/gallon is pushing Prometheus down the rabbit hole. Waiting for th…

One thing that is unclear to me - are there items that need to be replaced/regenerated? The article says the costs are mostly capital. If true, on a long enough timeline, are you not just looking at entirely operational costs (sourcing water + electricity)?

Yes, only inputs are air and electricity. If you have an equipment payback of only a few years, then after that all fuel is close to opex only. Similar to solar itself.
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