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Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open letter

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Re: Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open letter

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Post by droopyEyelids »

Cuuugi wrote: post #14

and will lead to a "younger, whiter, more male-dominated, more neuro-normative, more able-bodied" I mean, they're just asking you to come to the building 3 days a week.

It seems like every complaint or request is being rewritten to appear based in social justice.

I feel confident we'll begin to see HOAs justifying their grass-length rules because "longer lawns disproportionately affect historically oppressed, disabled, and neurodivergent persons"

This is not a great trend, if you care about equality in society, because shit is getting so watered down it's about meaningless.

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Post by warning26 »

golergka wrote: post #26
Cuuugi wrote: post #14

and will lead to a "younger, whiter, more male-dominated, more neuro-normative, more able-bodied" I mean, they're just asking you to come to the building 3 days a week.

> I mean, they're just asking you to come to the building 3 days a week. Which is only possible for people who live in the same hemisphere as the building and have citizenship or visa. Remote work is international work.

> Remote work is international work.

Not at most companies; the legal implications of working from other countries mean that, unless you want to misrepresent yourself and create a fake "home" address, digital nomad lifestyles are explicitly forbidden.

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Post by inerte »

tharne wrote: post #16

Stop whining and vote with your feet. If you're talented enough to work for Apple, there are plenty of other wonderful companies out there that will happily let you work remotely. Not every company needs to have the exact same policies on everything.

I usually think along your lines, and recently I read an article that made me think different https://the.ink/p/as-goes-amazon-so-goes-the-nation?s=r - not always different, and I don't know when to apply one thinking or the other yet. But I see its value.

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Post by adamsmith143 »

PabloRobles wrote: post #23
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please think for a second about how a WFH policy might impact some groups more than others.

Could you, please, give your point of view on it? This is something I never thought about.

Is it really hard to imagine that it's easier to get to the office as an able bodied 22 year old than as a 45 year old wheelchair user? Or a 31 year old single parent?

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Post by dubya »

t-writescode wrote: post #24
tharne wrote: post #16

Stop whining and vote with your feet. If you're talented enough to work for Apple, there are plenty of other wonderful companies out there that will happily let you work remotely. Not every company needs to have the exact same policies on everything.

“The first time you have an argument with your spouse, you should get a divorce” Is what you’re saying here. They’re trying to make company changes to improve their relationship with someone they like to work for, without using the nuclear option.

I wonder how many marriages have been saved by an open letter.

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Post by twofornone »

Cuuugi wrote: post #14

and will lead to a "younger, whiter, more male-dominated, more neuro-normative, more able-bodied" I mean, they're just asking you to come to the building 3 days a week.

Adding Apple to the list of companies I'd never work for. White men are just supposed to shut up and take the increasingly open discrimination? This isn't equality. And it won't actually lead to equity either, but we all will end up with less if this continues - except for the more equal animals among us.

Edit: just imagine if the text said "younger, blacker, more female-dominated, more neuro-normative, more able-bodied"

Or "younger, more Jewish, more male-dominated, more neuro-normative, more able-bodied"

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Post by BaseballPhysics »

Honestly, at least Apple laid out their intentions. People can leave or stay, but the policy is clear.

At my workplace they keep nodding at "hybrid" without any specifics and the resulting fear due to uncertainty is far worse than a clear policy that some (many) people might not like...

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Post by thenoblesunfish »

In general, glad to see people advocating for what they see as the most effective environment in which to work. Some of these points are a bit strained, though, especially the "serendipity" [1] point which they choose to lead with - one could just as easily argue that being siloed with a smaller group of people working on similar problems is good for serendipity - that's certainly the way that universities, labs, startups, etc. seem to work well.

[1]: https://appletogether.org/hotnews/thoughts-on-office-bound-w...

Re: Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open letter

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Post by post_break »

The time theft of traffic, costs of fuel and wear and tear on your car, the cost of lunch if you don't pack a lunch. It all adds up when having to go back to the office. I hate that we had to return to the office because it was like getting a big pay cut. Even the 3 day a week thing, it's like what's the point? We can work from home obviously, what more does going in 3 times a week accomplish other than punish you, showing you how much it sucks to go to the office. All it really feels like is punishment forcing you to be under some managers thumb.

Re: Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open letter

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Post by jayd16 »

capableweb wrote: post #4
dominotw wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i don't see how thats hypocritical though.

The full quote: > We tell all of our customers how great our products are for remote work, yet, we ourselves, cannot use them to work remotely? How can we expect our customers to take that seriously? How can we understand what problems of remote work need solving in our products if we don't live it? I'd have to agree. If you're building products and market them for "remote working", then you better have figured out r…

Tools can be ideal without the situation they call for being ideal. Apple isn't pushing for remote work, it just has a good solve for it. Its not hypocritical at all.
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