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Re: Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under intense heat wave

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Post by kzrdude »

wewxjfq wrote: post #18
eklavya wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, why care for the poor population even when Europe is busy buying oil for itself. It’s not like per capita consumption of the west is 10x or greater.

Europe is stopping it, India is asking for more. 140 countries could condemn the war in an UN vote - India couldn't.

I'm a European. I think we have to accept that not the whole world has to care about a war in eastern Europe. For us, it's the world, but it's hypocritical to demand that everyone pays attention to our crisis.

Re: Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under intense heat wave

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Post by hagen2022 »

nasut wrote: post #17
eklavya wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, why care for the poor population even when Europe is busy buying oil for itself. It’s not like per capita consumption of the west is 10x or greater.

Well that would be 12kWh (EU) vs. 1.8kWh (India). Multiply by population 447M * 12 kWh = 5364 BkWh vs. 1360M * 1.8 kWh = 2448 BkWh from oil. So yes, EU is spewing twice the co2 from oil. That said, the EU has probably the strongest co2 emissions reduction programs out there atm. The EU for example reduced its co2 emissions by 19% 2019->2020. India’s co2 emissions OTOH grows 4-5% each year. So in that sense they are s…

One can always compare the per capita and blame the rich world for many issues. This is nice for a debate.

But at the end, poor + middle class of India suffer due to this. Sure the rich world ruined environment, but that cannot be reason to say India can do similar. The first to get affected will be the poor world (yes, incl. India) and then only the poor people in the west.

I understand this is a sensitive issue, as my wife is from India, and people do not like complaining about India (especially they do not like foreign news organisations like BBC/CNN/NYtimes posting negative news).

Please start thinking as global citizens (heck your people are running Twitter, Google, MS).

Re: Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under intense heat wave

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Post by kretaceous »

sph wrote: post #26

> there are street vendors in major cities selling special fruit that supposedly helps protect people from the potentially damaging effects of above-normal temperatures. [...] "Instead of the regular synthetic fruits, you know, the ready-made fruit juice which is harm[ful] to the health, these are good for your health as well and these are the only way that you can manage the heat." What's this mysterious special fru…

Some common Indian "cool-drinks": - Sugarcane juice - Chhaanch (Butter milk) - Coconut water

Re: Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under intense heat wave

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Post by [deleted] »

hadeohedron wrote: post #22

If there is anybody who sees Indian domestic news and/or articles, could you tell us whether there is any political impetus there to start spraying climate-modifying aerosols at high altitudes regardless of effectiveness and/or international opinion, or if it's completely outside of the Indian overton window?

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Re: Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under intense heat wave

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Post by snek_case »

rich_sasha wrote: post #19

A grim thought, but in 50 years time when a lot of the planet is uninhabitably hot, does that reduce emissions, by virtue of, you know, there not being people to stoke the fires?

It's probably not that simple. If you have food shortages and displaced populations as a result in climate change, then you might get an increase in poverty. More poverty means less education, and less access to things like birth control. So you could see somewhat of an acceleration in population growth and energy demand as a result.

Re: Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under intense heat wave

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Post by LightG »

sitic wrote: post #14

Reminds me that I should finish reading The Ministry for the Future by Kim Stanley Robinson https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ministry_for_the_Future

From someone who hasn't read it, can you say why?

That's the second time I've seen it referenced here. Cheers.

Re: Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under intense heat wave

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Post by LightG »

kzrdude wrote: post #31
wewxjfq wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe is stopping it, India is asking for more. 140 countries could condemn the war in an UN vote - India couldn't.

I'm a European. I think we have to accept that not the whole world has to care about a war in eastern Europe. For us, it's the world, but it's hypocritical to demand that everyone pays attention to our crisis.

I generally agree - but considering this conflict could (unlikely but possibly) become a world war then, yes, other countries should pay attention.

Re: Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under intense heat wave

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Post by keewee7 »

hadeohedron wrote: post #22

If there is anybody who sees Indian domestic news and/or articles, could you tell us whether there is any political impetus there to start spraying climate-modifying aerosols at high altitudes regardless of effectiveness and/or international opinion, or if it's completely outside of the Indian overton window?

No post body was provided.

Re: Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under intense heat wave

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Post by hannob »

It should be noted that AccuWeather is a very problematic source when it comes to any topic related to climate change. They were spreading outright climate denial in the past and have spread misinformation downplaying climate change since: https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2019/08/09/accuweathe...

This text is problematic as well. It mentions climate change twice, but frames it as the personal opinion of some people that there's a relation between heat waves and climate change.

Re: Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under intense heat wave

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

kzrdude wrote: post #29
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't seem to get talked about as much it should but the economically efficient way to net zero is for rich, but non-sunny places to install solar in poor but sunny places and split the carbon reduction 'credit'. It’s a win-win-win. I wonder how much more effective in economically damaging Russia it would be to push solar (and efficiency, insulation etc.) in regions on its southern border. EU should do it at hom…

Tangential to this, there is the Morocco solar project - where the plan is to export via HVDC link to the UK - will this result in UK energy prices influencing those of Morocco? "Ideally" the production site should have access to cheaper energy since it's "their resource".

Thats a good example. It would be better for 'global' warming if Britain just bought carbon credits from Morocco and skipped the transmission line.

Morocco gets cheap, clean energy independence and industrial investment, the world gets less fossil co2 and even if they get taken over by Martians in the future that don't respect human laws, the climate benefit is already delivered and can’t be "cut off".

However, the same groups that have poisoned the well on carbon "taxes", seem to have really done a number on the whole concept of offsets and emissions trading.

Free market economics? Not acceptable if it hurts fossil fuels and helps the poor, only vice versa it seems.

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