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Exposed by a Strava KOM: The Many Lives of a Fake Pro Cyclist

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Re: Exposed by a Strava KOM: The Many Lives of a Fake Pro Cyclist

#31
"There was a time, about a year ago, when I swear that there were even references to Nick Clark the pro cyclist in articles in the New York Times, and the Arianna Huffington-owned Thrive Global. The latter was a loving profile of Clark, titled “The story of an entrepreneur, businessman, and cyclist.” Both have since been deleted."

Journalists should learn to use archive.org.

EDIT: Just finished reading. Fine piece of journalism.

Re: Exposed by a Strava KOM: The Many Lives of a Fake Pro Cyclist

#32
I created a Strava segment in my neighborhood and started to monitor it. I quickly found a couple cheaters and flagged them. Some I could tell some were just bad GPS data, such as riding a bike in a lake. I usually take mine down if the GPS is totally off. However, some were definitely blatant cheating, such as cycling at 80 mph when the road speed is 40mph.

Re: Exposed by a Strava KOM: The Many Lives of a Fake Pro Cyclist

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of Armstrong's team mates from US Postal days wrote a tell all biography after he was banned for doping: Tyler Hamilton the secret race, in it (paraphrasing) he said he saw athletes from every professional sport in the waiting room of the private doctor who was doing his doping.

I read Tyler’s book and don’t recall him saying that quite so directly. It is surely true though. I met him at an unsanctioned/non-UCI race he showed up at during his ban but before he came clean. Weird experience, he obviously won the race and most people were supportive but it was such a weird scene. You could practically feel the tormented aura of guilt/shame/embarrassment coming off him. IIRC he had won that race…

I don't recall reading that part either. The book is a great book though, not just for the doping part but also because it gives a very interesting behind the scenes view of many iconic cycling moments of that time.

Re: Exposed by a Strava KOM: The Many Lives of a Fake Pro Cyclist

#34
The part that really stuck out to me was from one of the people he had duped, saying that if Clark had told her the sky was green she would have believed him. There are definitely people in the world who seem able to cast an almost hypnotic spell over people like that, but seemingly only in person. This seems to be the case with both Bill Clinton and Donald Trump. Examples about in business too, including (especially?) tech. Having worked at Facebook, I felt that Mark Zuckerberg also has this quality.

I don't think it's magic. I don't think it's pheromones. If I had to guess I'd say that it's something about learning - consciously or otherwise - to fool the heuristics that most of us use to distinguish lies from truth. Things like voice, facial expression, body language. Whatever it is, it seems quite real. Nick Clark was somehow able to fool a great many people, some of them quite savvy, and there are many examples like his.

Re: Exposed by a Strava KOM: The Many Lives of a Fake Pro Cyclist

#35
post #25
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of Armstrong's team mates from US Postal days wrote a tell all biography after he was banned for doping: Tyler Hamilton the secret race, in it (paraphrasing) he said he saw athletes from every professional sport in the waiting room of the private doctor who was doing his doping.

I read Tyler’s book and don’t recall him saying that quite so directly. It is surely true though. I met him at an unsanctioned/non-UCI race he showed up at during his ban but before he came clean. Weird experience, he obviously won the race and most people were supportive but it was such a weird scene. You could practically feel the tormented aura of guilt/shame/embarrassment coming off him. IIRC he had won that race…

It has been a while since I read the book but skimming it now I can only see the Spanish police unofficially linked tennis players and soccer teams to the Spanish doctor they were using.

I maybe misremembering or misquoting.

Re: Exposed by a Strava KOM: The Many Lives of a Fake Pro Cyclist

#36
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How can we help our friends and family avoid being victims if these scammers have such strong powers of persuasion? Take your credulous friends to an AA meeting, now and then. It’s basically a workshop against every kind of deception.

Rubbernecking an AA meeting feels wrong

AA meetings are often designated as "open" or "closed." The "open" ones are open to the public.

Re: Exposed by a Strava KOM: The Many Lives of a Fake Pro Cyclist

#38
This line, a comment from one of the riders on his women's team, says a lot:

> he needed to be adored and respected

He does have some sort of narcissistic personality disorder going on, aided and abetted by the ease of publishing or telling lies that few people will ever check.

Makes me wonder about the breathless bios and claims in VC and CEO bios, or hinted at in interviews. Military service, elite university backgrounds, and sole founder status seem to pop up a lot.

Re: Exposed by a Strava KOM: The Many Lives of a Fake Pro Cyclist

#39
post #38

This line, a comment from one of the riders on his women's team, says a lot: > he needed to be adored and respected He does have some sort of narcissistic personality disorder going on, aided and abetted by the ease of publishing or telling lies that few people will ever check. Makes me wonder about the breathless bios and claims in VC and CEO bios, or hinted at in interviews. Military service, elite university backg…

The military ones would usually get away with it if they didn’t wear fake medals from every conflict and operation from WW2 onwards and always declare they were such and such SF unit.

Re: Exposed by a Strava KOM: The Many Lives of a Fake Pro Cyclist

#40

wow that was really long but i read almost all of it. a lot of it is just going into details that are necessary to condemn him without committing libel, i feel like. the most impressive bit is that he became the CEO of a publicly traded company with totally fake CV and no education and was paid more than a million dollars. and now he works at a gun shop literally across the street from the old bike shop, peddling lie…

I'm going to push back on the Lance Armstrong bit. As you point out, anyone who followed racing at the time knew that the top tier were all doping or at least some if you wanted to pretend your hero was clean. Here is a retrospective article about its pervasiveness [1]. But, it does not take much intelligence to figure out that a banned substance, EPO, that did not have a test until 2000 was being used in the 90s. The reason why Armstrong is much more infamous is because the scale of the operation the U.S. Postal Service Pro Cycling Team was conducting and the leading role Armstrong played on the team and the success he had. That being said, putting ethics aside for a second, what they did is no different than the level of performance squeezing that teams like Ineos or Jumbo Visma do today. They weren't gaining by the lies themselves (like the person in the story) but to keep their methods hidden from other teams.

[1] - https://www.businessinsider.com/lance-armstrong-doping-tour-...

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