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Japan’s plan to dump nuclear waste into the pacific ocean may not be safe

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Re: Japan’s plan to dump nuclear waste into the pacific ocean may not be safe

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Post by junon »

top_sigrid wrote: post #30
junon wrote: post #3

WasteWATER*. I hate when titles leave important things out to make them sound worse than they are. This is about WATER waste.

Water which ... is nuclear waste as it is from a nuclear power plant that had a core meltdown? Of course wastewater would have been more specific, but in the end they ARE dumping nuclear waste into the ocean.

Nuclear waterwaste != nuclear waste. Water cannot be radioactive, and in fact water is a fantastic insulator for radiation. The water had contaminates in it and the argument is whether or not the current level of contaminates is safe.

The article's title makes it sound like they're just going to dump the Elephant Foot directly into the pacific. It's clearly a sensationalistic anti-nuclear title edit.

Re: Japan’s plan to dump nuclear waste into the pacific ocean may not be safe

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Post by yreg »

dikei wrote: post #15

The Japanese have lots of credits on environmental issues: it's one of the cleanest country I've ever seen, so I'm willing to trust them if they say the waste water dumping plan is safe.

>The Japanese have lots of credits on environmental issues

I wouldn't rely on that alone. I'd say they are more clean than concerned about ecology. You don't see thrash in streets or in forests, that's true. But their recycling is almost non-existant, they burn almost all the waste. They use (thick) packaging in absurdly high amounts (to an european eye). They have fishery and whaling issues…

Re: Japan’s plan to dump nuclear waste into the pacific ocean may not be safe

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Post by dmurray »

junon wrote: post #3

WasteWATER*. I hate when titles leave important things out to make them sound worse than they are. This is about WATER waste.

Well, it's a mixture of water and radioactive isotopes. The million tons of water isn't a danger to the Pacific Ocean, but the stuff it's mixed with may or may not be.

If the title had said "a million tons of tritium" it would be wrong, but it didn't.

Re: Japan’s plan to dump nuclear waste into the pacific ocean may not be safe

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Post by pvaldes »

clarionbell wrote: post #12
jay_kyburz wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoted post unavailable.

Richmod may be an expert in his field. But even he couldn't point to anything that could actually happen. His report, and that of his colleagues, is intentionally vague, with no predictions and lot of FUD. Seriously, there is not a single thing they point to and say: "This could happen!" It's almost as if tritium wasn't that problematic and they were trying to get people who payed them for the study at least somethin…

Then why not use it as a valuable source of the very expensive and non renewable Helium?

It seems that they are trowing money to the sea after paying yet for storing it for the last 11 years.

Re: Japan’s plan to dump nuclear waste into the pacific ocean may not be safe

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Post by [deleted] »

pvaldes wrote: post #34
clarionbell wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Richmod may be an expert in his field. But even he couldn't point to anything that could actually happen. His report, and that of his colleagues, is intentionally vague, with no predictions and lot of FUD. Seriously, there is not a single thing they point to and say: "This could happen!" It's almost as if tritium wasn't that problematic and they were trying to get people who payed them for the study at least somethin…

Then why not use it as a valuable source of the very expensive and non renewable Helium? It seems that they are trowing money to the sea after paying yet for storing it for the last 11 years.

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Re: Japan’s plan to dump nuclear waste into the pacific ocean may not be safe

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Post by janmalec »

TedShiller wrote: post #16
janmalec wrote: post #4

Tritium is already present in the ocean naturally and we are not talking about Nuclear Waste, as the title suggests, but clean water. We also cannot compare the tritium with mercury, because tritium, even if released in the ocean, decays away. Mecury, on the other hand, stays forever. The concerns that the water will affect marine life might be well intended but will cause more harm than good. In the worst possible c…

Right, it’s all safe and fine as long as we don’t release the water into your own backyard and swimming pool.

Well actually, at 1/40 the regulatory tritium limit for drinking water, it is perfectly suitable for any backyard and/or swimming pool.

Re: Japan’s plan to dump nuclear waste into the pacific ocean may not be safe

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Post by Asdrubalini »

Namari wrote: post #26
matbatt38 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well because some people actually do live in Sahara

We could dig dip and move people, it's not like they are millions. Better moving them than ruining Ocean life that feeds us.

Ocean life won't be ruined by this. The waters that they want to dump into the ocean are literally less radioactive than the ocean itself.

Re: Japan’s plan to dump nuclear waste into the pacific ocean may not be safe

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Post by boomboomsubban »

pvaldes wrote: post #34
clarionbell wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Richmod may be an expert in his field. But even he couldn't point to anything that could actually happen. His report, and that of his colleagues, is intentionally vague, with no predictions and lot of FUD. Seriously, there is not a single thing they point to and say: "This could happen!" It's almost as if tritium wasn't that problematic and they were trying to get people who payed them for the study at least somethin…

Then why not use it as a valuable source of the very expensive and non renewable Helium? It seems that they are trowing money to the sea after paying yet for storing it for the last 11 years.

I know very little, but the amount of tritium involved likely decays into a trivial amount of helium. A quick look at Wikipedia suggests that there is 2.1 g of Tritium in 860,000 cubic meters of water.

Re: Japan’s plan to dump nuclear waste into the pacific ocean may not be safe

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Post by ramchip »

pvaldes wrote: post #34
clarionbell wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Richmod may be an expert in his field. But even he couldn't point to anything that could actually happen. His report, and that of his colleagues, is intentionally vague, with no predictions and lot of FUD. Seriously, there is not a single thing they point to and say: "This could happen!" It's almost as if tritium wasn't that problematic and they were trying to get people who payed them for the study at least somethin…

Then why not use it as a valuable source of the very expensive and non renewable Helium? It seems that they are trowing money to the sea after paying yet for storing it for the last 11 years.

It's 15 grams of tritium in total, so it won't generate much helium.

Source: https://www.meti.go.jp/english/earthquake/nuclear/decommissi... [Q6]

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