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Re: Pop _OS 22.04 LTS has landed

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Post by trancilo »

4oo4 wrote: post #5

Does anyone else recommend this to people first trying out Linux? I have been mentioning this and Mint (though I use Debian PopOS! seems like the better of the two), and I'm curious which of them (or any other distro) helps convert more Windows users. I stopped recommending Ubuntu a few years ago because of snaps, they're such an Ubuntu specific thing in practice that I think it's harmful for people learning Linux.

I manage the laptops and desktops of a >50 company. And I've installed PopOs on almost all of their systems (some have Ubuntu) I'm very happy with the stability and indeed the sane defaults. Most users are happy with it and a lot of them are new to Linux. Learned of PopOs through buying some System76 laptops. Being able to download a nvidia version of the iso image has really helped as well.

Re: Pop _OS 22.04 LTS has landed

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Post by lioeters »

marc_from_ibg wrote: post #7

I moved away from Windows at the beginning of the year. My first Distro was Linux Mint, then Ubuntu 22.04 and yesterday I installed Pop_OS 22.04. Fedora didn't fit my requirements as it doesn't support fractional scaling. All very, very solid. I gave Pop_OS a try because I wanted a simple tiling window manager. It does all I want. The only thing I don't like is the color theme. I know it's a matter of taste but Pop_O…

> The only thing I don't like is the color theme.

I'm also a new user of Pop_OS, and loving it. Nordic theme is my favorite.

https://github.com/EliverLara/Nordic

For the background, I like macOS Mojave's default wallpaper, which blends well with the above theme.

http://www.hdwallpaperslife.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/m...

Re: Pop _OS 22.04 LTS has landed

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Post by vlod »

I updated to Popos 22.04 yesterday and I immediately had problems with prisma (Error: Unknown binaryTarget debian-openssl-3.0.x and no custom binaries were provided). This is probably ubuntu/openssl related rather than pops.

They do have a fix (you can switch to dev branch) or wait for it to be released next Tuesday: https://github.com/prisma/prisma/issues/11356#issuecomment-1...

I normally wait at least a month :facepalm: Might want to wait a week or so before updating.

Re: Pop _OS 22.04 LTS has landed

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Post by brynx97 »

ladyanita22 wrote: post #27
wildrhythms wrote: post #4

Big fan of Pop_OS... I'm using it on a Framework laptop. Great sane defaults and look and feel.

How was the fingerprint reader working out of the box? Did you have to do anything?

As of December 2021, it did not, but it is much improved from the various threads on framework forums.

> apt install libpam-fprintd

Settings > Users > Fingerprint Login

kernel 5.16, pop_os 21.10, gnome 40.4.0

Re: Pop _OS 22.04 LTS has landed

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Post by panick21_ »

POPOSYS wrote: post #17
panick21_ wrote: post #15

They only thing I dislike about PopOS is that they have not gone all in on ZFS. The base Ubuntu has it. They could really move ahead of every other distro if they had ZFS native encryption by default.

This is another good example for what I described in my other comment - they only care for their very special setup but break the underlying distro in many ways. PopOS devs take the work of Ubuntu, add their 0.1% but break a lot of things that work good in [X|K]Ubuntu - that is not helpful for the OS ecosystem. They distribute a broken distro that only works within a very narrow default configuration. Not OK.

Very much disagree. They actually do more work then you suggest they do. And they upstream that work quite often, and its open source.

Second, if you want X/K then why would you care about Pop? How is PopOS existing bad for you?

Re: Pop _OS 22.04 LTS has landed

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Post by Daegalus »

lproven wrote: post #20
Daegalus wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've honestly started suggesting Fedora over anything Debian/Ubuntu based. Ubuntu stability has gotten worse and worse over time, and their approach to software package management has gotten kind of crazy with Snaps. I usually recommend Fedora for stability and up to date packages. And this is someone that has used Ubuntu since 4.04 and recently a ton of Arch/Manjaro usage. I have personally switched to Fedora with h…

Um... there wasn't a 4.04? The first release was Warty Warthog, 4.10. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_version_history#Ubuntu_... I find it interesting that you say that, though, if only because Warty is when I personally moved from SUSE to Ubuntu, and I've never seen any reason to switch. My occasional trials of Fedora seem to have drawn the reverse conclusion to you. * There are no stable releases. For boxes I…

You are correct, 4.10. it's been a while and I forget which month Warty was.

For me, Ubuntu has too many old packages, so it's too unchanging. The 6 month span is plenty for stability for me.

To me stability revolves around stuff breaking between updates, or installing packages causing incompatibilities that eventually degrade the system. I had a lot of that with Manjaro.

While Ubuntu has little of that, it's also too safe, too behind. There were so many times I needed a slightly newer version than what Ubuntu offered, so I would need to hunt for PPAs, manually maintain Deb files, or find other means of keeping stuff up to date. My sources.list.d would be littered with extra repos.

Fedora is a lot more up to date, their repositories are a lot more filled out. I found stuff in the repos that is not in the Ubuntu repos. They are usually fairly up to date, or at most x.x.1 behind kind of thing.

* 2 years is too old. Might be stable but outdated.

* I have had no problems with proprietary drivers. Most of my machines are amd GPUs, but I have a Nvidia 2070 laptop that works fine. Just installed from dnf and it works.

* I haven't hit any 3rd party driver needs. Printers, PC components, accessories. They all work fine without third party drivers. But it could also be because Fedora has a more up to date kernel.

Anyways, I value a balance of up to date software, stability, and just getting out of the way. Which Fedora, especially Fedora 36 that I'm using, does better than Ubuntu and it's derivatives do.

I will say, I just recently switched to Fedora after last trying it many years ago and hating it. I had a bit of hate for the RPM world since old Red Hat Linux days before I made the jump to Ubuntu. So it might be a honeymoom phase, but I'm so much happier with Fedora than the Debian based ecosystem.

Re: Pop _OS 22.04 LTS has landed

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Post by tmd83 »

What are the top choices everyone would suggest in terms of Linux OS for reasonably upgraded packages, package availability in terms of dev/tech person and perhaps most importantly a sane and reasonably pain free upgrade path (no reinstall every year or something).

Re: Pop _OS 22.04 LTS has landed

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Post by 7speter »

modo_mario wrote: post #18
7speter wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whenever I try to use Mint theres always something weird that happens that won’t seamlessly install or something, most recently it was steam games not being able to start. A couple of years ago I installed Pop and the automatic tiling paired with Gnome was very offputting (I’v e gone back and forth with Pop Os because of gnome seemingly eating up memory), when, in previous installs, the tiling thing didn’t happen. Al…

TIL bout their rust based DE. I also tried kubuntu starting out because i wanted a plasma desktop but found it a bit janky defaults wise. I settled on Manjaro KDE tho. Much nicer defaults, much more software available after checking some boxes in the software centre and choosing the nvidia drivers was relatively easy. (a neat menu to choose between the various options of open source or nvidias own stuff)

I really have a hard time moving away from debian (really ubuntu at this point) based distros because of all the support and howto articles written for this family of distros and the dearth of little doo dad apps written for the debian eco system (such as the thinkpad power manager or the debian specific implementation of that old os x app caffeine just as examples). Its really not based on laziness or close mindedness, but just that I want to get going with doing things on my computer.

Re: Pop _OS 22.04 LTS has landed

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Post by lproven »

Daegalus wrote: post #36
lproven wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Um... there wasn't a 4.04? The first release was Warty Warthog, 4.10. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_version_history#Ubuntu_... I find it interesting that you say that, though, if only because Warty is when I personally moved from SUSE to Ubuntu, and I've never seen any reason to switch. My occasional trials of Fedora seem to have drawn the reverse conclusion to you. * There are no stable releases. For boxes I…

You are correct, 4.10. it's been a while and I forget which month Warty was. For me, Ubuntu has too many old packages, so it's too unchanging. The 6 month span is plenty for stability for me. To me stability revolves around stuff breaking between updates, or installing packages causing incompatibilities that eventually degrade the system. I had a lot of that with Manjaro. While Ubuntu has little of that, it's also to…

OK, fair enough. Thanks for the info!

I write about this stuff for a living these days, so I am trying to widen the range of distros that I try, that I use, and to learn more about why people choose particular ones.

Re: Pop _OS 22.04 LTS has landed

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Post by Daegalus »

lproven wrote: post #39
Daegalus wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are correct, 4.10. it's been a while and I forget which month Warty was. For me, Ubuntu has too many old packages, so it's too unchanging. The 6 month span is plenty for stability for me. To me stability revolves around stuff breaking between updates, or installing packages causing incompatibilities that eventually degrade the system. I had a lot of that with Manjaro. While Ubuntu has little of that, it's also to…

OK, fair enough. Thanks for the info! I write about this stuff for a living these days, so I am trying to widen the range of distros that I try, that I use, and to learn more about why people choose particular ones.

Totally fair, and I appreciate you asking with an open mind. I have nothing strong against Ubuntu or any debian/ubuntu derivatives. Its still a good distro to recommend.

Also Fedora relies a lot on Flatpaks for most desktop software, so the repos only come into play for command-line tools or something more system related or if you want a native copy of something. Like Discord, Slack, Element, etc are all flatpaks on my install.

Then tools like exa, ripgrep, and so on come from Fedora repos or `asdf` if not in the repos or if i temporarily need a fix in a latest version that is a bit behind in Fedora.

For everyday users, the difference isnt huge if they want to word process, browse the web, play some games, print stuff, get some photos off a camera, etc.

I think in the end I just wanted something between Ubuntu and a rollign release system like Arch or even Suse Tumbleweed.

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