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Abcdesktop – a cloud native desktopless system

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Re: Abcdesktop – a cloud native desktopless system

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Post by kkfx »

Since to be usable we need a modern WebVM, improperly named browser for legacy reasons, so we need a desktop merely used as a bootloader for thw WebVM what's the point of having a remote tools, witch means someone else computer (or at least another computer) + a desktop + the dependency on the network just to work?

Honestly I think it's about time to tell management that's nothing costly nor complicated in maintain desktops with custom deploys not just the default install by some vendor, and in supporting them instead of investing in servers with much more resources just to centralize for the point of merely centralize...

Sorry for being rude, I've used Apache Guacamole time ago and I still ask me why it was even though in the first place...

Re: Abcdesktop – a cloud native desktopless system

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Post by brimble »

TuringTest wrote: post #21

Why do I keep getting this distinct impression that people use containers to keep reinventing OS processes, but "in the cloud!"? Next thing, you'll see announced a platform for reusable container services that can be dynamically linked from other containers - to avoid including them multiple times in your application containers that share the same version, and we'll have come full circle. Is there a subtle detail abo…

No, you're basically right.

To the extent that containers solve a problem, it's mostly a problem with package management, and with UI for process isolation/permissions/hardening.

Re: Abcdesktop – a cloud native desktopless system

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Post by ta988 »

jitl wrote: post #13

Is this using Guacamole for its VNC client? In college [2012] I ran Guacamole on my home server for RDP remoting into my desktop PC from a Chromebook, and the performance was excellent. Curious to see what the experience is like with more newfangled Cloud Native stuff.

Guacamole is impressive I agree.

Re: Abcdesktop – a cloud native desktopless system

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Post by qbasic_forever »

TuringTest wrote: post #21

Why do I keep getting this distinct impression that people use containers to keep reinventing OS processes, but "in the cloud!"? Next thing, you'll see announced a platform for reusable container services that can be dynamically linked from other containers - to avoid including them multiple times in your application containers that share the same version, and we'll have come full circle. Is there a subtle detail abo…

> Is there a subtle detail about packaging software for distribution as isolated executables that I'm missing?

In practice it's a nightmare, particularly for legacy software that demands a ton of dynamic linking to system-installed libraries.

Re: Abcdesktop – a cloud native desktopless system

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Post by chrisshroba »

TuringTest wrote: post #21

Why do I keep getting this distinct impression that people use containers to keep reinventing OS processes, but "in the cloud!"? Next thing, you'll see announced a platform for reusable container services that can be dynamically linked from other containers - to avoid including them multiple times in your application containers that share the same version, and we'll have come full circle. Is there a subtle detail abo…

If I give someone a sample docker-compose file, they can immediately run my service regardless of OS. If I distribute manually, I need to provide instructions for setting up the proper dev environment and packages for several common OSes and distros (brew maybe, apt, rpm, etc.).

Speaking personally, I know how to write a proper Dockerfile, (and it's a skill that's learnable in a couple hours). I have no idea how to distribute packages through other formats and avoid footguns.

Re: Abcdesktop – a cloud native desktopless system

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Post by hawski »

For a cloud native desktopless system I was thinking it should not be remote desktop based. Is there a cloud desktop, that is a bit more like NeWS? I mean text rendering client side as HTML/CSS, image and video view via img/video tags. A sprinkle of JS to make it smooth and dynamic. With normal windows and maybe even a taskbar would be splendid. Possible X or Wayland integration, but as separate windows in such a system. Is there something like this?

Re: Abcdesktop – a cloud native desktopless system

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Post by johnmarcus »

TuringTest wrote: post #21

Why do I keep getting this distinct impression that people use containers to keep reinventing OS processes, but "in the cloud!"? Next thing, you'll see announced a platform for reusable container services that can be dynamically linked from other containers - to avoid including them multiple times in your application containers that share the same version, and we'll have come full circle. Is there a subtle detail abo…

No, there are blatantly obvious things about packaging software that you are missing.

- you will need a copy of each platform running in order to build the binary - it's X-times++ as much work to package for X number of platforms. - The code you chose might not compile well on all platforms without code changes. - Dependency conflicts can be a pain.

oh boy, i could go on.

Re: Abcdesktop – a cloud native desktopless system

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Post by ninju »

LoveMortuus wrote: post #10
hoppyhoppy2 wrote: post #7

Looks cool. FYI, the "demo" link appears to be returning 404 Not Found

The correct link is https://demo.abcdesktop.io/ The way it's written, but it seems that the hyperlink that's bound to the written link is different ( https://www.abcdesktop.io/demo ).

The 'bad' URL is only the first hyperlink (at the beginning of the 'Quick online preview' paragraph). The 2nd time the URL is shown (in the small paragraph) the hyperlink is correct

Re: Abcdesktop – a cloud native desktopless system

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Post by derekzhouzhen »

lostapathy wrote: post #9
derekzhouzhen wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A good VNC client should give you responsiveness on par of RDP. VNC tunnel through web socket to a client running in a browser window may push it to the annoying zone though.

What’s a good vnc client and server that actually pulls this off? I’ve never had any luck with it either. At least not on Ubuntu.

If it is from linux to linux, I'll use xpra https://xpra.org/
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