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Or he's just acting in the interests of American corporations who in turn have financial interests in China. Not so much an organized conspiracy, but rather an emergent behavior from a system of common incentives. Like Chomsky describes in Manufacturing Consent.

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Correct idea, wrong party.

It's the ADs that are the poison. All of that ad money from Chinese companies and related entities; it sure would be a shame if (News station) got blacklisted as an AD network partner.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

These same draconian measures were how China supposedly weathered the initial spread of COVID well if those reports are to be believed, and even if you don't it's the party line. Given that, it would seem more likely that they'll double down since "this worked before." Along these same lines, crushing dissenters is also something the government has much experience with, and has also "worked before" in the worst ways.…

Yeah... but those lockdowns weren't in "first-tier" cities, it was lockdowns of dirty provincials. If the elites in Beijing are locked in their apartments for months on end, and start to go hungry... idk. I'm not saying there's going to be some fantastical democratic reform, but a coup that replaces Xi seems plausible.

>If the elites in Beijing are locked in their apartments for months on end, and start to go hungry... idk

That's why Beijing is getting better treatment.

>A defence of Beijing’s strict border controls might stress the importance of shielding the central government from outbreaks. But that does not explain why pandemic rules inside the capital have been strikingly lenient, compared with those imposed on humbler places like Langfang. For instance, more than half a dozen covid cases were found in April in Jiuxianqiao, a district of Beijing near modern-art galleries and posh apartment blocks. A compact “high-risk zone” was drawn around that outbreak as if with a scalpel. Nearby schools, shops and restaurants stayed open.

https://www.economist.com/china/2022/04/21/chinas-harsh-and-...

Re: Shanghai video overwhelms Chinese censor, gets 400M views

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Why isn't this being called a humanitarian crisis by our illustrious Western leaders?

My guess is there's too much money on the table for those in the western establishment (corporate media and government) to call a spade a spade. If official criticism of China becomes too strong then the public might start asking for the sort of economic sanctions that would hurt western business interests as well. Basically, a manifestation of that old theory about international trade preempting wars.

There have definitely been signs of serious disquiet amongst the western business community; earlier this month the European Chamber of Commerce in Shanghai sent an open letter saying in the usual diplomatese "this can't go on, it's a serious problem." [1] The Japanese did something similar. [2]

This is not out of humanitarian interest. It's starting to affect business very significantly.

[1] https://www.reuters.com/world/china/european-business-chambe...

[2] https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2022/04/16/business/japan-...

Re: Shanghai video overwhelms Chinese censor, gets 400M views

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The secret police apparently got to the author of the video: - "“However, I don’t wish this video to be distributed in the directions I don’t want,” he added. “I hope everyone stops sharing, or please asking people you know to stop sharing.”" https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/22/sound-of-april...

"Hello, friend. Please do not share this [linked] video. Pass on the message to everyone you know. Thanks"

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One thing that I observe about how China deals with COVID: leadership assumes that they have perfect control over perfect people. Therefore they try these type of solutions like complete lock-down of a city of 26m people. They assume that they are perfect as leaders, so planning is perfect and takes everything into consideration. They assume that people will execute their orders perfectly, even under extreme hardship…

I doubt their model is that people are perfect. I think their model assumes that if they set strong enough incentives, the human-error will only be a second order effect and can be safely ignored. I don't know how well they've estimated the political price for some of these incentives, and whether they have the political capital to expend to maintain this lockdown for much longer.

Re: Shanghai video overwhelms Chinese censor, gets 400M views

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One thing that I observe about how China deals with COVID: leadership assumes that they have perfect control over perfect people. Therefore they try these type of solutions like complete lock-down of a city of 26m people. They assume that they are perfect as leaders, so planning is perfect and takes everything into consideration. They assume that people will execute their orders perfectly, even under extreme hardship…

I like to use an analogy where every country is represented by a couple of people in a bar. China is the group who plans their consumptions two months in advance and sticks to its plan. America is the group that gets into a brawl in one moment, and in the next, builds a functional rocket in the parking lot.

Re: Shanghai video overwhelms Chinese censor, gets 400M views

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The secret police apparently got to the author of the video: - "“However, I don’t wish this video to be distributed in the directions I don’t want,” he added. “I hope everyone stops sharing, or please asking people you know to stop sharing.”" https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/22/sound-of-april...

Reminds me a little of You should migrate any data encrypted by TrueCrypt to encrypted disks or virtual disk images supported on your platform.[0]

[0] http://truecrypt.sourceforge.net

Re: Shanghai video overwhelms Chinese censor, gets 400M views

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The secret police apparently got to the author of the video: - "“However, I don’t wish this video to be distributed in the directions I don’t want,” he added. “I hope everyone stops sharing, or please asking people you know to stop sharing.”" https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/22/sound-of-april...

> The secret police apparently got to the author of the video

My understanding is that this kind of thing is handled by the ordinary police.

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