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The Psychedelic Experience: A new concept in psychotherapy (1962) [pdf]

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Re: The Psychedelic Experience: A new concept in psychotherapy (1962) [pdf]

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Post by tomatowurst »

Trasmatta wrote: post #17
tomatowurst wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

going to be honest i really don't buy this microdose, your body will quickly build natural tolerance to psilocybin. this is not like THC or alcohol where you drink tiny amounts, the effects will be felt. it makes sense why the body builds tolerance to psilocybin so rapidly and half life is quite long (at least a month or two) for evolutionary purposes. which to me is interesting because it shows that we've evolved to…

> it makes sense why the body builds tolerance to psilocybin so rapidly and half life is quite long (at least a month or two) for evolutionary purposes The half life of psilocybin is only a couple of hours, not a couple of months. The mental after effects can linger for a long time of course, if that's what you mean.

i mean when you redose, its effect will be significantly diminished. it is not something you can do recreationally, "only on the weekends" type of thing.

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Post by tomatowurst »

ghostly_s wrote: post #25
tomatowurst wrote: post #4

i say it again and again whenever i see these threads: psilocybin mushroom kicks down depression so hard it can't get up and bother you again. no SSRIs, no marijuana after taking it. anxiety and ptsd are still there tho so i think that requires something else. also something about THC that seems to reverse the benefits I got from psilocybin. cessation of THC seems to put me "back" on track if that makes sense. discla…

People might take your more seriously if you acknowledged that your personal experience is not necessarily universally applicable to the very large group of people who suffer depression.

I'm not alone that psilocybin has improved or outright "cured" depression in people, you will find plenty of studies and articles on this.

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Post by pmoriarty »

tomatowurst wrote: post #29
pmoriarty wrote: post #24

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"I've never heard of someone buying "counterfeit" magic mushrooms." Just because you haven't heard of it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. First, mushrooms can be misidentified, due to carelessness or ignorance. A misidentified mushroom can be poisonous. So that's my primary concern. Second, it's easy to just add whatever chemical you want to non-psychedelic mushrooms, so it's quite possible that you'll get some non-ps…

This is ridiculous. People selling psilocybin mushrooms aren't going out of their way to sell you counterfeits because the profit margin is already so low for this category and you could easily tell apart shitake mushrooms from psilocybin mushrooms. Nobody is on the streets selling psilocybin like they sell other drugs, it would be like people trying to pass off broccoli as marijuana. I'm sorry but you sound like Nan…

What assurance do I have that some rando at a festival who claims to have "magic mushrooms" is actually selling psylocybin mushrooms? None.

They might have picked some "little brown mushrooms" in a field somewhere thinking they were psylocybin mushrooms but not gone to the effort to identify them properly, or just not known how to do it, or made a mistake. Or maybe they got it from someone who told them that's what they were, but themselves didn't know, etc.

Or they (or their supplier) might have gone the easy route and bought some mushrooms and sprinkled some "bath salts" on them.

As a consumer you just don't know -- especially if they're dried, crumbled mushrooms which could be just about anything or a mix of stuff.

It's just sad hearing people who are so adamantly determined to stick their head in the sand and trust whatever drug they're being peddled is what their dealer claims it is.

Nancy Reagan's famous line was "Just say no." I'm not saying "Just say no". I'm saying "Just say know."

Educate yourself. Test your stuff. Be smart. Don't just guzzle down whatever you're given without satisfying yourself that it actually is what your provider claims it is.

Re: The Psychedelic Experience: A new concept in psychotherapy (1962) [pdf]

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Post by tomatowurst »

pmoriarty wrote: post #30
tomatowurst wrote: post #15

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whew, ayahuasca is a whole different beast and frankly is frightens me and I don't think I ever want to be in a position where I do it. psilocybin's come up is frightening/anxiety/panic inducing as it is....I don't think I can ever jump over ayahuasca, that seems like a whole different animal. For me I feel like psilocybin "reset" my brain and there's some long lasting protection mechanism against depressive thinking…

Ayahuasca brews vary widely in composition, depending on who brews it. I'd be very wary of some self-styled shaman adding datura or some other nightshade plant to the brew (which is not unheard of), and that's something I definitely want to stay far, far away from. Unless I was brewing it myself I'd want nothing to do with it either, because I couldn't be sure of what I was getting.

heard lot of horror stories of self-proclaimed shamans trying to capitalize financially. datura is scary stuff...

Re: The Psychedelic Experience: A new concept in psychotherapy (1962) [pdf]

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Post by dr_dshiv »

Trasmatta wrote: post #8
tomatowurst wrote: post #4

i say it again and again whenever i see these threads: psilocybin mushroom kicks down depression so hard it can't get up and bother you again. no SSRIs, no marijuana after taking it. anxiety and ptsd are still there tho so i think that requires something else. also something about THC that seems to reverse the benefits I got from psilocybin. cessation of THC seems to put me "back" on track if that makes sense. discla…

> disclaimer: ymmv, please get a sitter, if not, do it outside (best to do it on the grass) where you are safe, comfortable, and calm. I just want to echo how important this disclaimer is. There's no free lunch, and psilocybin can be incredibly challenging. For some people it is massively helpful for depression, but this is not a guarantee. Do your research and have a guide (if at all possible).

Be deliberate and have fun. And always know that you will sober up. you are on drugs — you aren’t crazy — you will be fine — you didn’t break your brain.

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Post by in3d »

tomatowurst wrote: post #4

i say it again and again whenever i see these threads: psilocybin mushroom kicks down depression so hard it can't get up and bother you again. no SSRIs, no marijuana after taking it. anxiety and ptsd are still there tho so i think that requires something else. also something about THC that seems to reverse the benefits I got from psilocybin. cessation of THC seems to put me "back" on track if that makes sense. discla…

Also ketamine. Lots of scientific and anecdotal evidence is accumulating every month. It might also work for other mind-related issues, such as eating disorders.

Re: The Psychedelic Experience: A new concept in psychotherapy (1962) [pdf]

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Post by ArtWomb »

“Psychedelics are to the study of the mind, what the microscope is to biology and the telescope is to astronomy” –Stanislas Grof.

While it feels like an artifact from the future, Berkeley CSP is now formally certifying "facilitators". And its important to note, because the cure is the experience. Not the actual biochemistry. We know a lot about the botany and chemistry of these compounds. And we can actually map phenotypes with human genes to predict certain effects. But the missing bridge between the two is the trip. The fact that we are finally after so many millennia attempting to apply Baconian methods to what was hitherto described as quasi-miraculous feats mystical exploration is exciting. And I believe will be fruitful, though in the short term generate many more questions than answers ;)

https://bcsp.berkeley.edu/training/

Re: The Psychedelic Experience: A new concept in psychotherapy (1962) [pdf]

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Post by LB232323 »

There is not a chemical solution to a spiritual problem.

New concepts are exciting, but the Indigenous Mexican use of psilocin in treatment of things such as depression, addiction, and other ailments of the soul are fundamentally integrated into their Christian beliefs and practices.

If the tech bros of San Francisco are seeking a cure to their existential despair, they should turn to San Francisco the man, the legend whose works were rooted in his unwavering faith to Jesus Christ. Undoubtedly the inspiration to the city's famous love for Bohemian living.

If the proliferation of psychedelic drugs from Haight-Ashbury was the answer to the ills of our nation and the ills of the heart then it would have worked already. Instead of trying more and more drugs, why not try something that really works? Before the 1960s, San Francisco in its free-spirited glory was closer to the light of God. It's not too late to turn things around.

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Post by GordonS »

in3d wrote: post #36
tomatowurst wrote: post #4

i say it again and again whenever i see these threads: psilocybin mushroom kicks down depression so hard it can't get up and bother you again. no SSRIs, no marijuana after taking it. anxiety and ptsd are still there tho so i think that requires something else. also something about THC that seems to reverse the benefits I got from psilocybin. cessation of THC seems to put me "back" on track if that makes sense. discla…

Also ketamine. Lots of scientific and anecdotal evidence is accumulating every month. It might also work for other mind-related issues, such as eating disorders.

I've suffered from life-long depression, since I was around 5 years old. I won't go into the details here, but it will suffice to say that it's been a fucking horrible waste of life.

A couple of years ago I was prescribed ketamine (multiple times a day, taken orally, a non-psychoactive dose) for an unrelated chronic neuropathic pain condition... and I feel like it's cured my depression! It really is an absolutely incredible drug - I only wish it was more widely available to others in my situation.

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Post by swayvil »

LB232323 wrote: post #38

There is not a chemical solution to a spiritual problem. New concepts are exciting, but the Indigenous Mexican use of psilocin in treatment of things such as depression, addiction, and other ailments of the soul are fundamentally integrated into their Christian beliefs and practices. If the tech bros of San Francisco are seeking a cure to their existential despair, they should turn to San Francisco the man, the legen…

Assuming a "spiritual" dimension, it's fair to say that there are an infinite number of ways to navigate it.
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