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What’s new in Emacs 28.1?

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Re: What’s new in Emacs 28.1?

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Post by ilovecaching »

adlpz wrote: post #20
ilovecaching wrote: post #5

It amazes me that developers pick closed source Jetbrains and Microsoft spyware for the program they rely on to make a living when Emacs and Vim/Neovim get better by leaps and bounds every year. Emacs has packages that VSCode can only dream of having and with Emacs distributions or really just lsp-mode you can have a full fledged IDE with 0 fiddling. I recently did some digging into the editor usage of noteworthy pro…

I'm not saying that yours is necessarily the case, of course I don't know, but I feel like lots of people that hold opinions like yours greatly underestimate the amount of functionality that comes with something like a Jetbrains IDE. It's not even about the editor itself, nor the graphical or UX stuff. It's the crazy level of introspection and of understanding your code those IDEs bring. My daily experience is just i…

I have used Jetbrains IDEA and Clion extensively to understand the other side. An IDEs heavy introspection isn’t necessary, and perhaps actively harmful towards writing and reading code. It’s rigid policy over tools like git is certainly actively harmful. If it takes an IDE to write your code, then it will likely take an IDE to read your code. They are tools that allow you to take shortcuts were you shouldn’t, and rob you of valuable knowledge. Programming is about thinking and continual learning and IDEs sell you the complete opposite. They help you build unsustainable projects where only a computer can understand the binary AND the source code. The other point here is that the gap between IDE and text editor has only gotten smaller over the years and was closed considerably by LSPs. It may not be a perfect match in features, but small niceties are not an excuse for using closed source spyware for your text editor. They also do not make the difference between the success or failure of one’s work.

Re: What’s new in Emacs 28.1?

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Post by jaster »

zozbot234 wrote: post #8
ilovecaching wrote: post #5

It amazes me that developers pick closed source Jetbrains and Microsoft spyware for the program they rely on to make a living when Emacs and Vim/Neovim get better by leaps and bounds every year. Emacs has packages that VSCode can only dream of having and with Emacs distributions or really just lsp-mode you can have a full fledged IDE with 0 fiddling. I recently did some digging into the editor usage of noteworthy pro…

Does Emacs ship with LSP support out of the box? They've had a habit in the past of ignoring similar features that were arbitrarily perceived as "proprietary" or not open enough.

Don't think out of the box, but https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-mode works rather well with emacs 28 from my experience. Emacs "distros" such as Spacemacs and Doomemacs both make using it a nearly "out of the box" experience.

(not supporting the editor/ide war troll, just trying to contribute some useful info here)

Re: What’s new in Emacs 28.1?

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Post by iib »

rayiner wrote: post #17

I was an Emacs user back in my software writing days, but I thought I had left it behind when I became a lawyer. Over the past month or two however I’ve moved more and more of my workflow over to Emacs. I started with using Org Mode and PDF tools for note taking and reviewing PDFs and task management: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30492373 . More recently I switched my email over to mu4e: https://www.emacswiki…

You may want to try using DavMail [1] for interfacing with Outlook. It is a reverse-proxy for email, so it talks to Outlook, and then mu4e can talk to DavMail directly.

[1] http://davmail.sourceforge.net/

Re: What’s new in Emacs 28.1?

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Post by _ph_ »

rayiner wrote: post #17

I was an Emacs user back in my software writing days, but I thought I had left it behind when I became a lawyer. Over the past month or two however I’ve moved more and more of my workflow over to Emacs. I started with using Org Mode and PDF tools for note taking and reviewing PDFs and task management: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30492373 . More recently I switched my email over to mu4e: https://www.emacswiki…

Relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/297/

Re: What’s new in Emacs 28.1?

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Post by ziml77 »

Ensorceled wrote: post #26
ilovecaching wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jetbrains products are only partially open source, which makes them non-free and still spyware due to telemetry we can’t see.

Do you have a reference for "Jetbrains products are ... spyware due to telemetry we can’t see."

That's the "beauty" of phrasing it like that. It's impossible to prove or disprove.

Re: What’s new in Emacs 28.1?

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Post by Ensorceled »

ilovecaching wrote: post #5

It amazes me that developers pick closed source Jetbrains and Microsoft spyware for the program they rely on to make a living when Emacs and Vim/Neovim get better by leaps and bounds every year. Emacs has packages that VSCode can only dream of having and with Emacs distributions or really just lsp-mode you can have a full fledged IDE with 0 fiddling. I recently did some digging into the editor usage of noteworthy pro…

I've been using vi since 1985, built a suite of development tools based on a custom fork of Elvis in the 90's and have been using vim professionally since the mid 90's. I've dabbled with emacs on and off for most of the 80's and 90's, including supporting a subset of the Elvis tools on emacs. I still fire up emacs now and then to see what's up.

The idea that either emacs or vim are a "0 fiddling" drop in replacement for Goland or Pycharm is ludicrous. I probably could get vim up to the point where I was as productive as I am with Goland/PyCharm but it would definitely NOT be a "0 fiddling" process.

I can't believe debugging and learning a new code base would be ANYWHERE as easy with vim as with Goland/PyCharm.

Also, both Goland and PyCharm have pretty good vim plugins so my day to day editing IS vim. Sometimes I hit stuff that I can do faster in actual vim and I switch over.

Re: What’s new in Emacs 28.1?

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Post by klik99 »

> Adding right-click context menus is a natural extension to Emacs’s already-extensive support for the mouse (even if a lot of people don’t use it.)

If emacs could support plan9 acme-style chords with custom commands then I'd probably use the mouse a lot more in it - acme convinced me that mousing around can be just as fast as being on the keyboard if the UX is well designed.

Re: What’s new in Emacs 28.1?

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Post by jaster »

I have been testing Emacs 28 for a few weeks now, as it was reported to improve performance on LSP integration (which was sometimes sluggish for me with rust).

I have to say I wasn't disappointed. It's now comparatively blazingly fast. I hugely recommend to give it a try if you work in emacs with LSP.

Since my distro had not packaged it yet, I installed it from guix instead (package `emacs-next`). It worked like a charm.

Re: What’s new in Emacs 28.1?

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Post by devin »

criddell wrote: post #23
ilovecaching wrote: post #5

It amazes me that developers pick closed source Jetbrains and Microsoft spyware for the program they rely on to make a living when Emacs and Vim/Neovim get better by leaps and bounds every year. Emacs has packages that VSCode can only dream of having and with Emacs distributions or really just lsp-mode you can have a full fledged IDE with 0 fiddling. I recently did some digging into the editor usage of noteworthy pro…

You might be surprised that many of us use Vim or Emacs and also VSCode or Sublime or Visual Studio or IntelliJ or XCode or ... Every tool has strengths and weaknesses. Plus, some of us enjoy learning new tools and find it fun to switch things up occasionally.

Cheers to this. My primary is emacs, but I consider myself a pretty solid vim user, and I’ve been picking up VSCode for typescript stuff.

Re: What’s new in Emacs 28.1?

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Post by epolanski »

jaster wrote: post #28
epolanski wrote: post #3

OT for this particular release, but I'd like to point out that one of the best features of emacs and its ecosystem is that plugins, libraries and software are almost always self-documenting. You want to read the documentation or delve into the implementation of a feature of your programs it is literally right there in your editor instead of having to jump to some, potentially outdated, website documentation or having…

Yeah emacs was a revelation for me on this regard, that the idea of "Free Software" could be more than just providing souce code and license. Emacs is actually explicitly designed to give you full power to explore, discover and modify it in order to tailor it to your needs and whims.

It is actually amazing, emacs is probably the best example of a "living" program you can modify interact and debug directly while you are coding it.

Obviously lisp has been designed around its REPL and debugging experience and the concept of "living programmable programs", but emacs reaches an insanely high level of business complexity, far higher than any software any of us probably writes at work and yet modifying and learning the very program you are using with the program itself is a 30+ years old solved problem that apparently ecosystems outside lisp dialects seem not to pick up.

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