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Re: Twitter is using its embedded JavaScript to hide tweets that have been deleted

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Post by sacrosancty »

tofuahdude wrote: post #16

You don't need to use Twitter's JS to show Tweets. If you choose to use their system, you're subject to their rules. If you don't like their rules, don't use their stuff. Calling it "altering the public record" is a little hyperbolic imo. If you want to act as a repository for the public record, you better use your own system. Twitter is under no obligation to retain this kind of stuff on your behalf. I'm not trying…

I think this is a little unexpected though since "you" are still hosting the text of the tweet on your site and publishing it to your visitors but also with a Twitter script that hides it.

Re: Twitter is using its embedded JavaScript to hide tweets that have been deleted

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Post by simonjgreen »

pwdisswordfish9 wrote: post #8
im3w1l wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Aren't they? Of course they are doing it for their own sneaky benefit, if only in terms of PR.

HN 2023 article: "Companies optimising for profit through good PR considered hostile"

Re: Twitter is using its embedded JavaScript to hide tweets that have been deleted

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Post by Hamcha »

slater wrote: post #3

FYI if you block their JS on third-party sites, it works fine: https://i.imgur.com/cb5Lyd5.png

I was so confused when the article said "See? If I embed this tweet, you can't see it" but it was there to me (since Twitter JS is blocked by at least two extensions in my browser). Thank you for pointing that out!

Re: Twitter is using its embedded JavaScript to hide tweets that have been deleted

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Post by simonjgreen »

ranguna wrote: post #17
db48x wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not even that twitter is hostile; allowing any third–party javascript onto your website is a mistake.

Laughs in node_modules

We're too busy to worry about laughing, need to optimise for new behaviours not redesigning the laugh.

Re: Twitter is using its embedded JavaScript to hide tweets that have been deleted

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Post by lapser »

slater wrote: post #3

FYI if you block their JS on third-party sites, it works fine: https://i.imgur.com/cb5Lyd5.png

Oh, this is the missing piece! It seems I'm blocking Twitter's JS if it's not on their site. I didn't even realise and I was confused about what the author meant as I could clearly see the tweet on their site.

Re: Twitter is using its embedded JavaScript to hide tweets that have been deleted

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Post by dumpsterdiver »

riffic wrote: post #7

fix the title please An apostrophe as a possessive marker in its is nonstandard: https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/it%27s#Etymology_2

Non-standard doesn't mean improper. It's still valid English. Just because some people are too lazy to type or comprehend an apostrophe in the word "it's" to signify "it is" doesn't mean that the rest of us have to follow their lazy example.

Re: Twitter is using its embedded JavaScript to hide tweets that have been deleted

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Post by lapser »

paxys wrote: post #33

Why not just copy paste or screenshot the Tweet? It's bizarre to reference a script from twitter.com directly in your site's source code and then complain that the script is doing exactly what it is supposed to.

Aesthetics and familiarity? It's a lot nicer to link the user's name directly to their profile, and the date directly to their tweet on Twitter as opposed to having a separately link or whatnot. For many, especially your average Joe/Jane, will expect the aforementioned behaviour.

Re: Twitter is using its embedded JavaScript to hide tweets that have been deleted

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Post by kripke »

btown wrote: post #12
TobyTheDog123 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Twitter is making a privacy tradeoff by removing content from my website in the case where it doesn’t have anything to enhance the content with? That sure seems hostile.

Consider it from the context of a "right to be forgotten" though. Setting aside whether that should be a legal right, there's certainly some kind of argument that if the right-to-be-forgotten is at some level a moral good, then technologies that assist in enforcing that right have at least some level of moral justification in doing so. Does that override the rights of a website operator to expect that their tools wil…

Even if the right to be forgotten is a moral good, it is not (and should not be) an absolute right trumping other rights such as freedom of expression (also a moral good). Twitter can decide to stop hosting the content you published on there, either at your request or at their discretion (e.g. banning your account), but forcefully removing content from another operator's website is overreaching, it is simply not their call to make.

Re: Twitter is using its embedded JavaScript to hide tweets that have been deleted

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Post by abofh »

dumpsterdiver wrote: post #37
riffic wrote: post #7

fix the title please An apostrophe as a possessive marker in its is nonstandard: https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/it%27s#Etymology_2

Non-standard doesn't mean improper. It's still valid English. Just because some people are too lazy to type or comprehend an apostrophe in the word "it's" to signify "it is" doesn't mean that the rest of us have to follow their lazy example.

In which case, it's still wrong in the title. Just because people are too lazy to scroll up and read the erroneous title doesn't mean nit picking pedantry makes them correct.
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