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Due to failure in the IT system, it is not possible to run any trains today

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Re: Due to failure in the IT system, it is not possible to run any trains today

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Post by mardifoufs »

xiphias2 wrote: post #24
csomar wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you are saying it's a plot to change the election's outcome? edit: It was a joke. :/

I don't think so. Anyways the same dictatorship (Viktor Orban) got full control again of the country.

Were the elections illegitimate ? I'm a complete outsider to hungarian politics so I'm not sure if this is hyperbole... but talking about how a dictatorship has been reelected again doesn't make sense to me. Unless elections in Hungary are just theather, and results are just faked like in Syria for example.

Re: Due to failure in the IT system, it is not possible to run any trains today

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Post by flak48 »

orblivion wrote: post #23
xiphias2 wrote: post #12

That software bug made a lot of Hungarians miss elections today in Netherlands :(

For those outside of Europe, could you explain how this works? Are these Hungarian citizens living abroad who are able to somehow vote from polling places accessible by train within the Netherlands? Is this an EU organized thing?

Most countries (even non EU ones) allow its citizens residing in foreign countries to vote in national elections at its embassies.

So Hungarians residing in Netherlands could have been able to vote at Hungarian embassies/consulates in Netherlands (if they made it to the embassy).

Re: Due to failure in the IT system, it is not possible to run any trains today

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Post by throwawaylinux »

xiphias2 wrote: post #27
orblivion wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For those outside of Europe, could you explain how this works? Are these Hungarian citizens living abroad who are able to somehow vote from polling places accessible by train within the Netherlands? Is this an EU organized thing?

Only in Amsterdam inside Netherlands after waiting a long line. At the same time Hungarians in Romania could vote by mail and the government was using Fidesz to collect the votes and threw out votes of the opposition. The soft dictatorship works very well, Hungary will go even more down in the future. I'll probably leave Hungary before Hungary leaves EU/NATO and gets into a war.

Voting by mail is insecure? This is very troubling.

Re: Due to failure in the IT system, it is not possible to run any trains today

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Post by TylerE »

XorNot wrote: post #30
qiskit wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was expecting more as well. Not much information to glean from a barebones press release. If I had to guess, it probably was an issue with scheduling/timetable software rather than anything to do with the trains, rails, etc. Nothing exceedingly seriously or difficult to correct.

Keep in mind that train schedules control what trains are on what tracks when, so while their are literally fail-safes in the system, this is not exactly far removed from being "safety critical".

That hasn’t been true in Europe for over a hundred years, and exceedingly rare in the US these days.

Re: Due to failure in the IT system, it is not possible to run any trains today

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

tjr225 wrote: post #28
miggol wrote: post #14

My curiosity is killing me as to what exactly went wrong. And as someone living in The Netherlands I'm also kind of mad at the apparent fragility of this huge chunk of our infrastructure. If this had happened on a work day, it would have been a real national emergency, rather than just a huge national inconvenience. I would appreciate one of those post-outage "what happened" reports like with the AWS and Facebook out…

Physical infrastructure can be fragile/fail catastrophically, as well. I recall starting a job near Seattle, 40 miles from my home in Olympia, WA and a passenger train derailed onto the highway killing a few people and backing up traffic for days. That was not a pleasant first day! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Washington_train_derailme...

I assume, however, that this didn't ground every single train in the state!

Re: Due to failure in the IT system, it is not possible to run any trains today

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Post by benjaminwootton »

TylerE wrote: post #35
XorNot wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keep in mind that train schedules control what trains are on what tracks when, so while their are literally fail-safes in the system, this is not exactly far removed from being "safety critical".

That hasn’t been true in Europe for over a hundred years, and exceedingly rare in the US these days.

Isn’t this exactly what the press release states? “ if there is an incident somewhere, the system adjusts itself accordingly. This was not possible due to the failure.”

Re: Due to failure in the IT system, it is not possible to run any trains today

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Post by TylerE »

benjaminwootton wrote: post #38
TylerE wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That hasn’t been true in Europe for over a hundred years, and exceedingly rare in the US these days.

Isn’t this exactly what the press release states? “ if there is an incident somewhere, the system adjusts itself accordingly. This was not possible due to the failure.”

No, it’s talking about crew scheduling/allocation , not signaling.

The signaling system is totally fail safe. Even if that system totally went out, drivers are required to know where all the signals are, and to treat an unlit signal as a red.

Re: Due to failure in the IT system, it is not possible to run any trains today

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Post by stuckindoors »

There was a massive southwest airlines IT failure compounded by weather issues over the weekend. This cancelled numerous flights but also snowballed into most of the southwest flights being delayed. We were lucky to return home. The news is only reporting weather delays yet for those at the airport this weekend...it was clearly larger.

If it is true that Netherland's and Italy's transport infrastructure were also down I wonder if Russian supported hackers are to blame.

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