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$625M worth of ETH drained on Axie Infinity's Ronin Network

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Re: $625M worth of ETH drained on Axie Infinity's Ronin Network

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I'm out of the loop and trying to understand - people lent over half a billion dollars of their 'real' fake money (ETH) to a game studio so they could transact on the studio's sidechain because gas fees are prohibitively expensive on ETH, and then the game studio got hacked and lost it all?

How was this ever going to end any other way? Imagine how preposterous the idea of storing $650mm in USD in a random game studio's checking account would be.

Re: $625M worth of ETH drained on Axie Infinity's Ronin Network

#32
post #22

This probably sounds like an insanely dumb idea to crypto people, but is it absolutely infeasible to reverse transactions when there's consensus that it's a hack? The TX fees need not be reversed (consider it to be a small price to pay for being hacked). A little bit of centralisation could make the whole network safer. Who is that centralised authority to decide what's a hack, I hear you ask. I don't know, but the a…

What is your threshold? Who decided what is "not legitimate" activity? Clearly in this case the money was spent using the keys that were allocated to be able to control the money, what process overrides that?

I mean we have an answer to that, it's called the law, and its worked since 1750BC. [edit] This guy, Hammurabi - king of the First Babylonian Dynasty - faced a similar quandary, so there's some prior art.

Disputes under the law are resolved in court.

Re: $625M worth of ETH drained on Axie Infinity's Ronin Network

#34
post #20

So they now have this giant sum of money sitting in their wallet https://etherscan.io/address/0x098b716b8aaf21512996dc57eb061... what do they do next? How do criminals even use this money to do anything?

Generally, they can wash the currency, either through mixers or by routing through a privacy focused coin like Monero.

Properly done, there is no direct connection between the new washed currency and the stolen assets.

Re: $625M worth of ETH drained on Axie Infinity's Ronin Network

#35
post #20

So they now have this giant sum of money sitting in their wallet https://etherscan.io/address/0x098b716b8aaf21512996dc57eb061... what do they do next? How do criminals even use this money to do anything?

They could just burn it - it makes everyone else’s ETH more valuable.

Or move it through decentralized tumblers. Which is why more and more these tokens are becoming non-fungible as addresses are blacklisted.

Non-fungible is another way of saying centralized, by the way. The whole system is a house of cards. The final straw will be when quantum blows it wide open.

Re: $625M worth of ETH drained on Axie Infinity's Ronin Network

#36
post #20

So they now have this giant sum of money sitting in their wallet https://etherscan.io/address/0x098b716b8aaf21512996dc57eb061... what do they do next? How do criminals even use this money to do anything?

https://tornado.cash/

Probably can get $3-5m or so a year slowly. (which would take ~25 years or so).

Re: $625M worth of ETH drained on Axie Infinity's Ronin Network

#37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is your threshold? Who decided what is "not legitimate" activity? Clearly in this case the money was spent using the keys that were allocated to be able to control the money, what process overrides that?

I mean we have an answer to that, it's called the law, and its worked since 1750BC. [edit] This guy, Hammurabi - king of the First Babylonian Dynasty - faced a similar quandary, so there's some prior art. Disputes under the law are resolved in court.

Isn't that anathema to the new world order the crypto people are espousing?

Re: $625M worth of ETH drained on Axie Infinity's Ronin Network

#38
It is amazing to me that these bridges can't figure out a reliable auditing mechanism. I can't wait to learn about how this was accomplished. But with the amount of money at risk, it seems like there has to be a mechanism to secure these things and maybe have a backstop in the even something does go wrong.

Re: $625M worth of ETH drained on Axie Infinity's Ronin Network

#39
post #15

Over half a billion in assets and.. > We discovered the attack this morning after a report from a user Fuck me.

Which was 6 days after the original transfers. Unbelievable.

Wait, no, it's totally believable because this is the same story that happens over and over again with blockchains. It turns out that all of those pain in the ass compliance laws on traditional finance are there for a reason, and when you ignore the past you end up repeating it.

Re: $625M worth of ETH drained on Axie Infinity's Ronin Network

#40
post #22

This probably sounds like an insanely dumb idea to crypto people, but is it absolutely infeasible to reverse transactions when there's consensus that it's a hack? The TX fees need not be reversed (consider it to be a small price to pay for being hacked). A little bit of centralisation could make the whole network safer. Who is that centralised authority to decide what's a hack, I hear you ask. I don't know, but the a…

Or maybe don't lend a valuable asset to a game studio.
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