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IP over Avian Carriers RFC 1149 event (2001)

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Re: IP over Avian Carriers RFC 1149 event (2001)

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Post by czinck »

deepspace wrote: post #26
29athrowaway wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A truck full of storage volumes can have a higher bandwidth than fiber. Just really bad latency.

Interesting how the analogy progressed over the years from "a station wagon filled with tapes" to "a truck full of storage volumes". An A380 filled with micro SD cards would likely beat any conceivable fiber network in bandwidth, if not latency.

XKCD What If kinda answered your question, although it's for the real fleets and not a specific plane, https://what-if.xkcd.com/31/. From February 2013 though, so out-of-date even if you ignore how covid has messed with shipping.

Re: IP over Avian Carriers RFC 1149 event (2001)

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Post by 29athrowaway »

deepspace wrote: post #26
29athrowaway wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A truck full of storage volumes can have a higher bandwidth than fiber. Just really bad latency.

Interesting how the analogy progressed over the years from "a station wagon filled with tapes" to "a truck full of storage volumes". An A380 filled with micro SD cards would likely beat any conceivable fiber network in bandwidth, if not latency.

A hyperloop full of DNA-based storage has more bandwidth than STM-1024 but less latency.

Re: IP over Avian Carriers RFC 1149 event (2001)

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Post by readams »

29athrowaway wrote: post #20
throw0101a wrote: post #15

Not so funny at times: an article from 2009, "In Africa, A Pigeon Transfers Data Faster Than The Internet": * https://www.wired.com/2009/09/in-africa-a-pigeon-transfers-d... * https://spectrum.ieee.org/carrier-pigeon-beats-internet-

A truck full of storage volumes can have a higher bandwidth than fiber. Just really bad latency.

This is roughly the idea behind Amazon snowball and similar products.

Re: IP over Avian Carriers RFC 1149 event (2001)

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Post by charcircuit »

divbzero wrote: post #25

RFC 1149 was updated in RFC 6214 [1] to support IPv6 but adoption has been painstakingly slow among avian ISPs. [1]: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc6214

Do you have a source for this? I would imagine all of them would already support it if they are in to supporting a niche such as avian messaging.

Re: IP over Avian Carriers RFC 1149 event (2001)

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Post by thamer »

deathanatos wrote: post #10

> with ping times varying from 3211 to 6389 seconds. I guess this is a new record for ping times… Hmm, T-mobile's network comes close, but not quite that high, I think. /s Somewhat more seriously, I have seen ping times approaching 20,000 ms on their network. Given the light-distance to the moon is ~1.3 seconds, this ping clearly went significantly further than the moon's orbit, and back; very clearly some routes nee…

There are some instances of real data taking much more than 6,389 seconds to travel. Voyager 2 was contacted in November 2020[1], being at the time 18.8 billion km away from Earth. Light takes about 62,000 seconds or 17h25m to travel this distance… each way! Almost a 35-hour ping.

Voyager 1 is further away and still sending data, although I don't think that it has received commands for a very long time.

[1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2020/11/04/voya...

Re: IP over Avian Carriers RFC 1149 event (2001)

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Post by ryankrage77 »

thamer wrote: post #35
deathanatos wrote: post #10

> with ping times varying from 3211 to 6389 seconds. I guess this is a new record for ping times… Hmm, T-mobile's network comes close, but not quite that high, I think. /s Somewhat more seriously, I have seen ping times approaching 20,000 ms on their network. Given the light-distance to the moon is ~1.3 seconds, this ping clearly went significantly further than the moon's orbit, and back; very clearly some routes nee…

There are some instances of real data taking much more than 6,389 seconds to travel. Voyager 2 was contacted in November 2020[1], being at the time 18.8 billion km away from Earth. Light takes about 62,000 seconds or 17h25m to travel this distance… each way! Almost a 35-hour ping. Voyager 1 is further away and still sending data, although I don't think that it has received commands for a very long time. [1] https://w…

It recieved commands as recently as December 2017, when the TCM thrusters were activated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyager_1#Future_of_the_probe

Re: IP over Avian Carriers RFC 1149 event (2001)

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Post by mattalex »

throw0101a wrote: post #15

Not so funny at times: an article from 2009, "In Africa, A Pigeon Transfers Data Faster Than The Internet": * https://www.wired.com/2009/09/in-africa-a-pigeon-transfers-d... * https://spectrum.ieee.org/carrier-pigeon-beats-internet-

As long as your name isn't google, transfer by pigeon will always be faster (regardless of africa, silicon valley or downtown New York). The reason people use the internet for data transfer has little to do with transfer speed and everything to do with latency.

Re: IP over Avian Carriers RFC 1149 event (2001)

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Post by simcop2387 »

divbzero wrote: post #22
throw0101a wrote: post #15

Not so funny at times: an article from 2009, "In Africa, A Pigeon Transfers Data Faster Than The Internet": * https://www.wired.com/2009/09/in-africa-a-pigeon-transfers-d... * https://spectrum.ieee.org/carrier-pigeon-beats-internet-

Strap the pigeon with 100 1TB microSD cards (~250 mg per card) and the bandwidth will approach the transfer speed of the microSD card itself — nearly gigabit speed for UHS-III cards.

It will be able to approach even faster than that, just have multiple card readers at both ends.
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