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The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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It sounds like the commute is a big part of it. My perfect commute would probably be a 10 minute bicycle ride, or maybe a short train ride.

I've got a 35 - 45 minute bicycle ride which makes it a nice workout. I really felt it when we started working from home during corona and I was sitting on the couch just eating chips and ice cream.

This is great, so long as you have the choice to just WFH when you're not feeling it - you have a cold, the weather is shit, the bike needs maintenance etc.

Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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2 hour commute! Is that typical in the USA? Is it necessary? Preferable? My bike ride to my office is 10 minutes. I miss my commute.

Talk about privilege here. Just this week I've receive an e-mail from my employer stating that due to the influx of Ukrainian immigrants most of the main cities are full and people are encouraged to look for accommodation in nearby satellite cities. I'm used to 2 hours commute stripping away 4 hours of my free time. Not US. Good luck finding accommodation near business centers.

Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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My workplace requires me to visit the office once every two weeks. And even then I only go for a friendly one-on-one type of lunch with my boss. Nothing we ever discuss justifies the two hour commute, the same things could be discussed in Zoom. And yet, I am supposed to visit every two weeks. Now it turned out that during my last visit my boss had already been infected with covid. So not only me, but my wife and my t…

Use your sick time dude not vacation days

Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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The problem with Zoom calls in the office is that you usually do them at your desk rather than in a meeting room, and when you do that, you are totally destroying the productivity of anyone who happens to be in the room with you. Not to mention what happens if several people in the same room have different calls at the same time...

The absolute worst is being in an office with several people who are on the same call as you at their own desks. You can neither listen to the call nor the person near you speaking and you hear everything the say with a 2 second delay.

In our office, this created in-group out-group dynamic within the meeting each time. The in-person people were making jokes to each other and commenting stuff while online people had no idea. So, result is that the same meeting have one group coordinating with muted microphones and other oblivious. Perfect.

It did not created some kind of real split (yet), but the potential is super clear and it is pretty much guaranteed to happen.

Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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As of yet we've only been into the office a couple of times and mostly as an excuse for a social event. I didn't actually mind the time we spent working in the office, as we deliberately all came in as a team. I did however have to bring some headphones and plug in to get any work done, same as the old days.

I don't mind the chance of scenery and would be happy to do it once in a while. I just hope the flexibility we have at the moment is retained. Thankfully my current employer has cut office space so much it would be impossible for us all to turn up if we wanted to.

Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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I don't understand the headline. What's the 'worst part of working from home' in this context?

In my case, my employer isn't forcing anyone to come back to the office, but there's definitely an unspoken understanding that 'collaboration' and 'team feeling' will improve if we're at the office more often.

But when I go to the office it perfectly reflects the experiences described in the article: I'm almost always the only person from my team in the office at the time, or otherwise the only other team-member has their work to do, and I have mine, so we sit next to each other on the considerably less comfortable office chairs than I have at home, and work 'side-by-side' with our headphones on, and pretty much don't speak to each other any more than we usually do in Meet or on Slack.

I tend to use the days for wondering around and chatting randomly with other people at the office: hang with the Sales people, mosey past the Support team, spend half an hour in the office kitchen.

I guess this is ok if the idea is to be a more socially cohesive group, but it's disastrous for my productivity, and I always have to work twice as hard for the following days at home - even though it takes a while to regain my focus afterwards, so the rest of the week is often a little bit disrupted by the wasted day at the office.

I don't want to only work at home for the rest of my life though - but it feels like we haven't worked-out what the new situation should be just yet. And in the meantime, managers are just thinking in outdated terms of getting everything back to 'normal'.

Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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In my view, the biggest problem with hybrid is: You are still required to live/reside near the office. Fully remote allows me to live in a very affordable area while still earning a great salary

First the companies offshored the jobs, now the employees offshore themselves.

At some point, somebody will start asking why the Indian working remotely in India is paid less than the American/European expat working remotely from Bali.

Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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My workplace requires me to visit the office once every two weeks. And even then I only go for a friendly one-on-one type of lunch with my boss. Nothing we ever discuss justifies the two hour commute, the same things could be discussed in Zoom. And yet, I am supposed to visit every two weeks. Now it turned out that during my last visit my boss had already been infected with covid. So not only me, but my wife and my t…

Why you need to stay home and isolate? Is it required in your country?

Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

#39
This is the same as my office in London. There's little point going in, and when I have done, my experience is the same as this article - waste 90mins in each direction getting in, to sit on my own, and reply via email + Teams.

But, well, "collaboration".

I'm sure it's time and cost effective for senior management that are paid $$$$ and only have a really short commute from the office. But not for the other 99% of the workforce.

Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

#40

Same experience as me, went in nobody was there. Spent day doing the exact same thing as at home with a different view and extra 50 minutes of driving. Did not go in again.

It sounds like the commute is a big part of it. My perfect commute would probably be a 10 minute bicycle ride, or maybe a short train ride.

We had a small office in a smaller town (Odense) in Denmark and reopened ~July 2020. We had no masks within the office by agreement among ourselves, but were very strict in our personal lives. We really enjoyed the interaction during lockdown, and I think that our commutes were all less than 10 mins helped.
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