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Why did we as consumers accept this? I remember back when MSN/Windows Live Messenger used to be one of the most popular options out there. Even though I used Ubuntu, I could still chat with my friends through the Pidgin messenger. This was all possible through the XMPP interface, which still exists by the way. It's not just that these new messaging platforms are adding no extra value, they are creating worse experien…
Because SMS was expensive
Why did we as consumers accept this? I remember back when MSN/Windows Live Messenger used to be one of the most popular options out there. Even though I used Ubuntu, I could still chat with my friends through the Pidgin messenger. This was all possible through the XMPP interface, which still exists by the way. It's not just that these new messaging platforms are adding no extra value, they are creating worse experien…
This is almost too good to actually go through. Protocol transparency, that is to say forcing companies to open up their APIs would be one of the simplest and effective ways to break platform effects and walled gardens. It shouldn't just be limited to messaging. An internet where everyone can built a client against Facebook's API, or Youtube or what have you and users get actual choice and control about how they cons…
So, I wouldn’t assume it’s great for end users without digging into the details. Don’t forget the last time they did privacy regulations they created an unending wave of click yes to accept cookies.
PS: Looking at rapid downvotes I see people disagree, but mandatory interoperability would presumably force them to accept SpamNetwork101, SpamNetwork102 … etc.
Is this an indirect attack on the encryption... seems to be.
Is this an indirect attack on the encryption... seems to be.
Likely not. Europe is in to open standards, interoperability, and things like this. Far more than the US.
Yes! Like another comment mentioned I'd love a return of pidgin. Further, the law should specificy that the protocol allows E2EE, and we have traction.
This needs to happen. Mandate interop and federation please.
[1] https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/194417/the-master-s...
Is this an indirect attack on the encryption... seems to be.
iMessage and WhatsApp both already have encryption backdoors that escrow the endpoint secret keys or plaintext to cloud services, undermining the end-to-end encryption. That ship has sailed.
This is almost too good to actually go through. Protocol transparency, that is to say forcing companies to open up their APIs would be one of the simplest and effective ways to break platform effects and walled gardens. It shouldn't just be limited to messaging. An internet where everyone can built a client against Facebook's API, or Youtube or what have you and users get actual choice and control about how they cons…
Beyond privacy concerns, it’s also going to open these and many other services up to an unending wave of SPAM. So, I wouldn’t assume it’s great for end users without digging into the details. Don’t forget the last time they did privacy regulations they created an unending wave of click yes to accept cookies. PS: Looking at rapid downvotes I see people disagree, but mandatory interoperability would presumably force th…
And even if you for some reason don't want to restrict your requests, you'll probably still be fine - Gmail handles protects me from spam pretty well.
This is almost too good to actually go through. Protocol transparency, that is to say forcing companies to open up their APIs would be one of the simplest and effective ways to break platform effects and walled gardens. It shouldn't just be limited to messaging. An internet where everyone can built a client against Facebook's API, or Youtube or what have you and users get actual choice and control about how they cons…
Er, WhatsApp is based on Noise for client server protocol, and Signal protocol for peer to peer encryption. Both were open standards before WhatsApp implemented them.
Even a completely obscure protocol can be reverse-engineered given enough time - in fact if you search on GitHub you can already find a lot of client libraries for proprietary services.
The problem is that at the moment the platform owners intentionally detect usage of these alternative clients and ban their users or abuse laws such as copyright to block their development & usage.
Is this an indirect attack on the encryption... seems to be.
Likely not. Europe is in to open standards, interoperability, and things like this. Far more than the US.
Surveillance is an area where there are still plenty of politicians who try to sabotage (digital) freedoms.