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Re: I have quit my job

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Post by jmauritz »

hans1729 wrote: post #16
jmauritz wrote: post #8

This guy seems smart and ambitious but has a very romantic/naive mindset. A job is an exchange of services, never get it confused with your own mission or "dream".

I disagree heavily with this. Lots of people make a living doing what they love/building a better world. Just because we normalized selling our attention to the highest fiscal bidder, doesn’t mean that the highest fiscal bid is actually valuable in terms of life quality. Nobody looks back and says “eh, I wish I’d have worked more at [soulless job]”. I think your perspective is extreme dystopian, and it makes me sad t…

I might come off as really cynical, but i agree with your statement completely. The best place i worked didn't feel like work, smart motivated people with little managerial oversight and a shared vision, awesome times.

What I'm trying to say is: look out for yourself out there because no one else will, don't let yourself be exploited

Re: I have quit my job

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Post by pjerem »

> I joined my last company because I was sold on an idea.

Holly moly. I’ve been heavily burnt with the same mistake. The lesson I learned is : yes, SE don’t struggle to find work at good condition, but your project will probably be shitty and/or boring and/or deceptive and/or full of tech debt.

Now I prefer to focus on the people I work with more than being sold on a project I’ll never own completely anyway.

Re: I have quit my job

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Post by hef19898 »

pjerem wrote: post #32

> I joined my last company because I was sold on an idea. Holly moly. I’ve been heavily burnt with the same mistake. The lesson I learned is : yes, SE don’t struggle to find work at good condition, but your project will probably be shitty and/or boring and/or deceptive and/or full of tech debt. Now I prefer to focus on the people I work with more than being sold on a project I’ll never own completely anyway.

You can be burned on people, too. All it takes is one "bad" hire far enough up the food chain and some of the "good" people to quit.

Re: I have quit my job

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Post by gregplaysguitar »

xupybd wrote: post #21

I'd love to work on something as a passion. Just big enough to keep my mortgage payments going out. I have no idea where to start. Dropping out of the work force sounds scary. I couldn't support my family for very long if I tried. I wish New Zealand paid as well as I hear the US does.

fwiw plenty of overseas companies are hiring remotely in NZ these days, some explicitly eg atlassian, gitlab, but anecdotally, many others are willing to hire here even though their job ads say US only. This is pushing salaries up in a big way - not to parity, but a heck of a lot better than it used to be. Worth looking around if your salary hasn’t changed in a few years :)

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Post by sam0x17 »

janmo wrote: post #10

I left my job when covid started and I do not intend to return into the workforce ever. I run some small projects and make a bit of money on it, although it is much less than what I did with the 9-5 job I have more money now than before. That's because Working has a cost: - living in an expensive area with high rents - transportation to the company - Eating out (No time to cook) - Taxes! - Health (Sitting around so m…

I've been able to avoid nearly all of these by working remotely in a rural area for the last 5 years.

Re: I have quit my job

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Post by [deleted] »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #9
outsomnia wrote: post #3

Sounds like the job just treated devs as replaceable, identical "units", but the author comes across as an individual. The management would hate any sign of life from the "units".

when i spent not quite a year working for (non AWS) Amazon, a document was leaked that such treatment was actually business plan. It was beyond obvious before the document was leaked. I contrasted the structure of several years of Apple engineering with the insanity of this business plan, which put roughly a dozen layers of non technical middle managers above our team of people with pretty hardcore technical degrees…

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Re: I have quit my job

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Post by asdff »

gorgoiler wrote: post #26
jmauritz wrote: post #8

This guy seems smart and ambitious but has a very romantic/naive mindset. A job is an exchange of services, never get it confused with your own mission or "dream".

Moreover, check your tax filings next time you want to feel like you give back to society. I’m not saying you shouldn’t do anything extra-curricular, but as a wage earning citizen you are already doing a good bit of your fair share just by earning money and handing it over as tax revenue. (Where I am sure this falls down, for many people, is that their local and federal government is useless at moving the needle on a…

IMO I'm in the camp that the money you 'lose' to taxes were never yours to begin with, and not worth all the handwringing people give about rates. It only really makes sense to consider take home minus fixed costs such as rent when considering how much money a job is making for you, since that's the only cash that's actually yours at the end of the day anyhow. If I want more of that given these fixed costs, seems like I need to demand more in wages if I'm left with too little every paycheck.

Re: I have quit my job

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Post by smordistan »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #9
outsomnia wrote: post #3

Sounds like the job just treated devs as replaceable, identical "units", but the author comes across as an individual. The management would hate any sign of life from the "units".

when i spent not quite a year working for (non AWS) Amazon, a document was leaked that such treatment was actually business plan. It was beyond obvious before the document was leaked. I contrasted the structure of several years of Apple engineering with the insanity of this business plan, which put roughly a dozen layers of non technical middle managers above our team of people with pretty hardcore technical degrees…

Only you knew this before you accepted the job offer with the dollar signs.

Re: I have quit my job

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Post by [deleted] »

gkop wrote: post #23
travoltaj wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty common in outsourcing companies. Even in a lot of product based companies tbh. I had to push quite a bit to get people to stop referring to SWEs as "resources"..

I usually hear “resources” used in the abstract, which was grating the first time, but I’ve gotten over. Are you hearing that literally? Would you share an example sentence?

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