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Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by Graffur »

odonnellryan wrote: post #23
Loughla wrote: post #3

I always find it interesting to watch the trickle down of news I find here on HN. I live in a very, very, very conservative part of the US. It always goes the same; see fake thing called out for being fake on HN. One week later, hear rumblings related to the fake thing in my community. One week after that, hear people openly talking about how that fake thing is true, but Google/MSM don't want you to hear about it. Su…

The Clinton stuff is really funny. HN is not really the place for heated political commentary but there is deep irony there with regards to how a certain portion of the population responds to criticism of Trump and his policies (lately, mostly surrounding Ukraine and denying them aid) and how often they bring up the Clintons.

I have been on HN for years now. I don't recall anything in particular that would fall into "The Clinton stuff". What are you talking about?

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by odonnellryan »

bavent wrote: post #26
trentnix wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in a very, very, very conservative part of the country and it’s nothing like the caricature you just mentioned. It is, though, safe, polite, and friendly. And people are happy to leave other people alone.

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It is rare for people to handle different and uncomfortable well, but some people handle it really poorly.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by odonnellryan »

Graffur wrote: post #31
odonnellryan wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Clinton stuff is really funny. HN is not really the place for heated political commentary but there is deep irony there with regards to how a certain portion of the population responds to criticism of Trump and his policies (lately, mostly surrounding Ukraine and denying them aid) and how often they bring up the Clintons.

I have been on HN for years now. I don't recall anything in particular that would fall into "The Clinton stuff". What are you talking about?

Oh not on HN sorry. I meant in the context of general conservative discourse. I have friends and family who bring up the Clintons a lot.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by a3oB »

Loughla wrote: post #3

I always find it interesting to watch the trickle down of news I find here on HN. I live in a very, very, very conservative part of the US. It always goes the same; see fake thing called out for being fake on HN. One week later, hear rumblings related to the fake thing in my community. One week after that, hear people openly talking about how that fake thing is true, but Google/MSM don't want you to hear about it. Su…

I, too, live in a very conservative area.

> Zelensky is a nazi

Considering Trump voters have a history of being called Nazi for the affiliation, I don't see it as a stretch to call Zelensky one for the Ukrainian "Azov Battalion." Think of it as the sword cutting both ways.

> the Ukraine war is all CGI

This one I see constantly... folks expect 4K quality LiveLeak material to be streaming out of Ukraine. Truth be told I'm surprised at the relative dearth of material, but there's still enough floating around social media to make this one rather laughable.

> anything related to Hillary or Bill Clinton

Oddly, I haven't heard anything on this one. Though I have seen a meme going around referring to Biden, Romney, Pelosi, and Kerry having "children involved in the UA energy business." This, at least partially false, but with a rooting in the truth... Hunter Biden as well as advisors / associates of the others have all done business in the UA energy sector. I'm still not quite sure how and why Biden's handling of the former UA prosecutor that had an investigation going against Burisma which employed Hunter isn't a larger political scandal.

All in all there does seem an age gap (IME) with your typical Boomer / Fox types spreading the garbage content, folks towards the Millenial side don't.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by pengstrom »

crate_barre wrote: post #18
Loughla wrote: post #3

I always find it interesting to watch the trickle down of news I find here on HN. I live in a very, very, very conservative part of the US. It always goes the same; see fake thing called out for being fake on HN. One week later, hear rumblings related to the fake thing in my community. One week after that, hear people openly talking about how that fake thing is true, but Google/MSM don't want you to hear about it. Su…

Information dissemination must be similar to fluid dynamics. It just has to be. It’s simpler and more insidious than that. I’ll use the old Eleanor Roosevelt quote: "Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." Most people are not that intellectual and probably spent most of their life gossiping. They wouldn’t know how to even discuss certain topics if the low hanging fruit of…

This seems unnecessarily elitist. I mean, I would be glad if I could get away with just discussing theory and ideas, but reality and practical matters gets in the way. We vote for people, we evaluate people from events.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by phkahler »

diarrhea wrote: post #8
Loughla wrote: post #3

I always find it interesting to watch the trickle down of news I find here on HN. I live in a very, very, very conservative part of the US. It always goes the same; see fake thing called out for being fake on HN. One week later, hear rumblings related to the fake thing in my community. One week after that, hear people openly talking about how that fake thing is true, but Google/MSM don't want you to hear about it. Su…

> Information dissemination must be similar to fluid dynamics. It just has to be. If you include reactions, sure. But regular fluid dynamics very much leaves the substance intact. Water flows down a stream and is still water at the end.

>> Water flows down a stream and is still water at the end.

Even that has fish shit added.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by snarf21 »

bavent wrote: post #26
trentnix wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in a very, very, very conservative part of the country and it’s nothing like the caricature you just mentioned. It is, though, safe, polite, and friendly. And people are happy to leave other people alone.

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There is a certain group of people that are adamant that others obey a codified set of laws that they give lip service to. It is sad that the world has become such and openly hateful place. Part of the issue is that hate is very profitable and the infotainment and social media companies continue to cash in.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by oftenwrong »

We all saw this coming. Even if this instance is low-quality, eventually a similar scenario will happen with one that is good enough to fool most people. I think it is not long until official videos come with cryptographic signatures.

I am just realising that Star Trek: Deep Space Nine actually had a similar scenario in an episode that aired in 1998. Essentially, a deepfake of a meeting of military leaders is created in a plot to persuade a neutral nation to join a war: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Pale_Moonlight

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