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Ukranians are like family. You always help family first before strangers. That doesn't mean you don't like the strangers.
Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees
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While it's not nice, it's pretty obvious why European countries are happier to welcome the easily integrated white christian European Ukrainians than the significantly more difficult to integrate Middle Eastern refugees.
I think it's a mistake to narrow it down to religion. Countries with high corruption have a different social contract, and it takes time for people to internalise how things are done 'over here'.
I am not sure the argument for corruption adds up, given Ukraine's global corruption perception index scores are comparable to developing nations in Africa and Asia.
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#33There's already a number of comments trying to spin this in one racially loaded way or another discrimination loaded way or such. Please stop. I'll try to explain why your take is misguided with a parable which you can no doubt poke countless holes into. Say you've lived in one place your whole life. You have a neighbour, and they've lived their whole life there as well. One day your neighbour comes to you and asks f…
This is the wrong way to look at it. If Syrian refugees had the media coverage Ukrainian ones do there'd be job boards for them and much more besides. People are reacting to the magnitude of the perceived crisis. Peoples' compassion pretty much knows no borders.
If there is any finger-pointing to be done then it's at the mainstream media not at how individuals or groups are trying to help human beings in need.
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Refugees don't typically get work visas, being a refugee is meant to be a temporary situation. Most likely these workers are working as remote contractors as people still 'based' in Ukraine. (ukraine bank accounts, etc.) It is much easier to wire money to a ukranian bank account than one in Syria, due to sanctions and other reasons.
The EU has a special status for people fleeing Ukraine right now (afaik including permanent residents, not only nationals) They get a temporary, time-limited right to stay (1 year, possibly extended to 3 years) and this includes the right to work and access to social services and healthcare. See https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/policies/migration-and-asy...
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> I wonder how Syrian refugees would feel about this, considering that they also fled to EU from a war zone with Russian ranks. It is a little disingenuous to blame Russians for Syrian refugees, given that we already had tens of millions of people that left Syria before Russia joined the party started by IS and other Islamists and escalated by the US/NATO.
Ask Syrian refugees here in Europe what they actually fled. They fled the bombs dropped by Russia and their Syrian allies. It was Russia and their Syrian allies who were responsible for the majority of civilian casualties and the massive flow of refugees.
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#36There's already a number of comments trying to spin this in one racially loaded way or another discrimination loaded way or such. Please stop. I'll try to explain why your take is misguided with a parable which you can no doubt poke countless holes into. Say you've lived in one place your whole life. You have a neighbour, and they've lived their whole life there as well. One day your neighbour comes to you and asks f…
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>They are ‘civilised’ and ‘look like us’
Yes, and? How is giving compliments being racist to anyone?
Is saying 'my girlfriend is smart and beautiful' hurtful to every other women? Is my boss saying 'Brian is smart and hard working' insulting to everyone else?
I wish this cringe wokeness and trying to spin everything into racism would stop.
I expected far more from a prestigious paper like The Guardian, instead of tabloid trash like this, but I guess they had a woke quota to fulfill, otherwise some activists on Twitter would call them racist if they hadn't called Europe racist first.
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#37There's already a number of comments trying to spin this in one racially loaded way or another discrimination loaded way or such. Please stop. I'll try to explain why your take is misguided with a parable which you can no doubt poke countless holes into. Say you've lived in one place your whole life. You have a neighbour, and they've lived their whole life there as well. One day your neighbour comes to you and asks f…
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>but still, this is racism with extra steps
Yeah but when the Gulf states do that it's ok
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34173139
>fears regarding political stability within their own borders, and into larger questions of civic identity and the notion of what being a citizen of a Gulf state means
If a german or french politician says that they are outcasted as a far right extremist
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>but still, this is racism with extra steps Yeah but when the Gulf states do that it's ok https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34173139 >fears regarding political stability within their own borders, and into larger questions of civic identity and the notion of what being a citizen of a Gulf state means If a german or french politician says that they are outcasted as a far right extremist
Parent comment didn't mention gulf states once? I'm pretty sure that anyone who is aware of the plight of refugees from Iraq, Syria, Yemen or Afghanistan knows that the Gulf States have blood on their hands from their interventions.
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It's a strawman and I'm tiring of reading it everywhere. Ukrainians are Europeans, it's normal they're flying to neighbouring countries, that is European ones. Syrians are Middle-Easterners, it would be logical for them to flee to wealthy neighboring countries (most does: Lebanon is hosting millions of them) which are geographically, linguistically, culturally and religiously closer to them like Saudi Arabia or Israe…
This is stretching it. Try buying kvass in Norway! Eastern Europe is in many ways a different planet. It's gradually changing thanks to Schengen workers, but middle easterners have had a bigger presence for longer - and they're actually better integrated in many ways (since they're not just here temporarily to make money, as many Schengen workers are).
Ironically, the only place I've found Ukrainian kvass is in small supermarkets run by middle easterners.
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#40There's already a number of comments trying to spin this in one racially loaded way or another discrimination loaded way or such. Please stop. I'll try to explain why your take is misguided with a parable which you can no doubt poke countless holes into. Say you've lived in one place your whole life. You have a neighbour, and they've lived their whole life there as well. One day your neighbour comes to you and asks f…
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