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Newer TP-Link Routers send large volumes of requests to Avira servers

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Re: Newer TP-Link Routers send large volumes of requests to Avira servers

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The software answer would be easy: use OpenWRT or any other *BSD based alternative, but what about the hardware? A quick search for WAN interfaces for PCs returned nothing.

That's because there is no single "WAN interface". The WAN port on the router is often just a differently labelled Ethernet port.

Re: Newer TP-Link Routers send large volumes of requests to Avira servers

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TP Link is a Chinese company. I won't trust them personally. In China's current political status, it is impossible for Chinese companies to reject the autocratic government's requests for surveillance. You may endup in jail or even get killed.

This is true of the US too: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Foreign_Intell...

Only partially: Rejecting the request won't get you killed. You also have the option to close your company to avoid jail, see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavabit as a good case study.

Thus, I would prefer the US to China in this regard.

Re: Newer TP-Link Routers send large volumes of requests to Avira servers

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I remember reading in the UK government's security assessment of Huawei that one of the issues is not necessarily data being sent to bad places or backdoors in the software, it's that the engineering processes behind these devices/software are completely unable to protect against any sort of supply chain attacks. The sorts of things they highlighted were: no version control, no code review, production builds happenin…

A perfect situation for Hanlon's razor...

Is this stuff not par for the course? Everything hardware/embedded in my experience is like a decade or two behind the current norms for c/c++ programming. What I never understood from that audit, was this code quality unusual? I didn't get the sense they audit European and American companies - so sure they looked at the source and said "lol your code sucks" but there was no baseline for comparison

But it sounds like you know the situation better - maybe you have better context. I've been curious to know from someone more familiar with the subject

Re: Newer TP-Link Routers send large volumes of requests to Avira servers

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The software answer would be easy: use OpenWRT or any other *BSD based alternative, but what about the hardware? A quick search for WAN interfaces for PCs returned nothing.

Interface most of the time is going to be a dedicated modem for whatever uplink you have, unless you already get Ethernet directly. Depending on your specific situation, you might have to use whatever the ISP gives you and set it to play as dumb as possible.

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That's before installing OpenWRT! This kind of shenanigans make (once again) the case for 3rd party post market FLOSS firmware to be installed on every device I own. Sure, I spend some extra time researching which router/AP/phone/ereader/smart appliance will be compatible with OpenWRT/LineageOS/KOReader/Tasmota/ESPHome/etc., but I feel more confortable this way. I have more trust in a bunch of people doing this for o…

You could also buy an SBC with a few network ports and use that as your router.

IME small ARM SBCs generally have a miserably slow bus arrangement for this sort of thing (and no hardware switch chip, of course). People have had some success with routers built on x86 mini-PCs[1], but these lean towards the “flexible and performant” side, not the cheap side.

[1] https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/04/the-ars-guide-to-bui...

Re: Newer TP-Link Routers send large volumes of requests to Avira servers

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TP Link is a Chinese company. I won't trust them personally. In China's current political status, it is impossible for Chinese companies to reject the autocratic government's requests for surveillance. You may endup in jail or even get killed.

So hypothetically as a western activist at risk of govt coercion you'd trust Cisco more? Statistically, you very likely own a Chinese manufactured router while using it to tell others here not to do the same.

This is a good point. Probably most people are not aware of the country of origin of most of the tech products (resp forna given product, how many important, modular subparts come from Chinese companies).

It would be highly interesting if there would be a website where you could type in the name of a product (e.g. sime Cisco) router and it would give you a detailed decomposition of where and by whom is parts where made. Something like (highly simplified) : - CPU design: Company X - CPU manufacturing: Company - RAM design and manufacturing: Company Z - Overall remaining logic: Cisco

Re: Newer TP-Link Routers send large volumes of requests to Avira servers

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One alternative could be, instead of buying a router, getting a single board computer designed to run whichever routing software you like. Banana pi is an example that comes to my mind. You'd need to get a case, and it won't be as neat as a commercial router.

I would love to replace these "routers" with a normal computer. The thing is these computers would need special ports for either phone lines or fiber optic connections, as well as built-in modems. I've never seen a computer with this sort of hardware built into it. Even on dedicated network cards I only ever see ethernet ports, nothing compatible with whatever it is my ISP is using (SFP?). Decades ago in the dial up…

If you're on DSL, the DLink DM200 has an integrated adsl/vdsl modem that's supported by OpenWRT, and the platform is quite powerful. You'll need a second device for wifi though but that suits my use case.

If you want a dedicated OpenWRT device Mikrotik would be my suggestion.

Re: Newer TP-Link Routers send large volumes of requests to Avira servers

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It’s a lost cause. The router should be treated as hostile and shouldn’t be allowed to know anything if possible. DNS over HTTPS and that SNI encryption stuff should be used.

How do you plan on blocking ad servers with DoH?

With ublock origin. DNS level ad blocking is rubbish and mostly circumvented by providers now.

Re: Newer TP-Link Routers send large volumes of requests to Avira servers

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TP-Link became a big no-go for me as soon as ax came out and I saw that they required account registration[0] for managing a personal, local router. Probably has to do with the fact that they're not western-owned and are 'legally required' to have such a system in order to be covered from 'borrowing' your data. I expect other vendors(Huawei,etc) to do the same, and it's insane that people don't revolt against such practices, especially considering we still have such vendors being installed by default in people's homes by the ISPs.And whilst a router is replaceable by the end user, something like an ONT is harder to find in most places, and the ISP doesn't usually give config details for an ONT.

[0] Edit: An online account for the mobile application, not the web interface of the router itself.

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