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Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

#31

It's going to be really awkward when this is all over and big tech has to pivot back to when nationalism, strong borders, private firearm ownership, and armed neo-nazi militias[0] were all bad things. [0] https://theintercept.com/2022/02/24/ukraine-facebook-azov-ba...

> boarders

I think you meant "borders".

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

#32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would love to see a rise of alternative BigTech (FB, Google, Apple, Microsoft). Not the Parlor kind, but more leaning towards libertarian values and the foundational principles of the United States. Perhaps based in the East Coast: Philadelphia, Chicago or Boston.

What would that look like? A messenger app or forum, sure I can see that, we have 4chan, but I'm having a hard time envisioning a whole bigtech corp embodying those ideals or even what those ideals are that would be embodied.

Based on Chicago principles, less virtue signaling and more doing, apolitical and completely ruthlessly neutral (like Switzerland), highly capitalistic but also with strong integrity, protect the interest of United States and its allies, straightforward CEOs that don’t speak corporate lingo, work with DoD and DARPA, unwavering support for human rights. Above all, have conviction of their own and not buckle under pressure, and won’t sell out to questionable labor practices in China. 100% domestic.

Seems to be a common response: if it’s not big tech it’s automatically 4chan.

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

#33

"March 10 (Reuters) - Meta Platforms (FB.O) will allow Facebook and Instagram users in some countries to call for violence against Russians and Russian soldiers in the context of the Ukraine invasion" Russian soldiers invading Ukraine are combatants. Discussing battle tactics against soldiers is not the same as calling for violence against Russian civilians.

Why is it happening on a social network that an American tech company is running and moderating?

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

#35

"March 10 (Reuters) - Meta Platforms (FB.O) will allow Facebook and Instagram users in some countries to call for violence against Russians and Russian soldiers in the context of the Ukraine invasion" Russian soldiers invading Ukraine are combatants. Discussing battle tactics against soldiers is not the same as calling for violence against Russian civilians.

> Russian soldiers invading Ukraine are combatants. Discussing battle tactics against soldiers is not the same as calling for violence against Russian civilians.

That's correct. That's why I'm puzzled by the phrase "Russians and Russian soldiers". The idea of attacking the former sounds like a nightmare. And I'd say it's a quick way for Ukraine to lose at least some international support. Defending your country is the right thing, attacking innocent people is the opposite of that.

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

#36
post #31

It's going to be really awkward when this is all over and big tech has to pivot back to when nationalism, strong borders, private firearm ownership, and armed neo-nazi militias[0] were all bad things. [0] https://theintercept.com/2022/02/24/ukraine-facebook-azov-ba...

> boarders I think you meant "borders".

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Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

#38

It's going to be really awkward when this is all over and big tech has to pivot back to when nationalism, strong borders, private firearm ownership, and armed neo-nazi militias[0] were all bad things. [0] https://theintercept.com/2022/02/24/ukraine-facebook-azov-ba...

That's just it though. The position was never that it was BAD per-se.

It's just... They wanted to control who was permitted to express nationalist sentiment, who were acceptable targets of "hate", and who was allowed to own guns.

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

#40
post #15

What could possibly go wrong?

I guess Facebook got tired of being held responsible for various international pogroms and just wants to set up a facility for states to use social media to organize pogroms against minorities that they want harassed, expropriated, or mass-murdered. The US has become a nihilistic place that stands for nothing and will change its "time honored" values on a dime for politically opportunistic reasons.
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