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Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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It's good to remember that the previous American president also waged a war against every media outlet he didn't like by claiming they were "fake news." It's the same authoritarianism in different stages. And if you think nobody in America wants to jail journalists and media CEOs, go look at any forum with a substantial amount of Republicans talking freely.

To be honest, the blue camp is different only in rhetoric: if the red wants control in the name of national security, the blue wants the same control in the name of grotesque moral rightnessess. Fake news is a good summary of our media today, it just applies to both camps.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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post #31
post #9

It's good to remember that the previous American president also waged a war against every media outlet he didn't like by claiming they were "fake news." It's the same authoritarianism in different stages. And if you think nobody in America wants to jail journalists and media CEOs, go look at any forum with a substantial amount of Republicans talking freely.

To be honest, the blue camp is different only in rhetoric: if the red wants control in the name of national security, the blue wants the same control in the name of grotesque moral rightnessess. Fake news is a good summary of our media today, it just applies to both camps.

Bullshit false equivalence.

I notice that Democrats aren't forming white supremacist militias, plotting to kidnap state governors, attacking Congress specifically to overturn the results of a national election, etc.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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post #31
post #9

It's good to remember that the previous American president also waged a war against every media outlet he didn't like by claiming they were "fake news." It's the same authoritarianism in different stages. And if you think nobody in America wants to jail journalists and media CEOs, go look at any forum with a substantial amount of Republicans talking freely.

To be honest, the blue camp is different only in rhetoric: if the red wants control in the name of national security, the blue wants the same control in the name of grotesque moral rightnessess. Fake news is a good summary of our media today, it just applies to both camps.

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Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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post #30
post #9

It's good to remember that the previous American president also waged a war against every media outlet he didn't like by claiming they were "fake news." It's the same authoritarianism in different stages. And if you think nobody in America wants to jail journalists and media CEOs, go look at any forum with a substantial amount of Republicans talking freely.

> And if you think nobody in America wants to jail journalists and media CEOs, go look at any forum with a substantial amount of Republicans talking freely. I'm a liberal and would like to point out that fellow liberals say the same about conservatives. We're wasting energy and making enemies fighting a narrative warfare, and it's frankly very stupid. Jail the their protestors, but not our own. Deplatform their voice…

I agree. The US culture war helps dictators like Putin and Xi.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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post #31
post #9

It's good to remember that the previous American president also waged a war against every media outlet he didn't like by claiming they were "fake news." It's the same authoritarianism in different stages. And if you think nobody in America wants to jail journalists and media CEOs, go look at any forum with a substantial amount of Republicans talking freely.

To be honest, the blue camp is different only in rhetoric: if the red wants control in the name of national security, the blue wants the same control in the name of grotesque moral rightnessess. Fake news is a good summary of our media today, it just applies to both camps.

As a non-american, I can see how some actions of the left seem to be a bit over the top and as things escalated might really got a bit extreme too. But is a push against racism, for gender equality, LGBT rights really wrong? Do you notice, how much people, who stand for those issues, get attacked in the public discussion?

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Ironically this article itself is fake news: 1. It is just a proposal: “The proposed legislation, which is supported by Vyacheslav Volodin, the parliamentary speaker, a close ally of President Putin, could be discussed by parliament as early as this week, state television reported.” 2. Another wild proposal, to forcibly conscript protestors, was shot down by Kremlin: https://twitter.com/GazetaRu/status/14994021198366…

How is the article fake news when it agrees with (is literally the source for) your main point?

It managed to mislead the purportedly wise readership of this forum.

Fake news doesn’t mean literally everything in the article is fake. It’s a metaphor

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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post #30
post #9

It's good to remember that the previous American president also waged a war against every media outlet he didn't like by claiming they were "fake news." It's the same authoritarianism in different stages. And if you think nobody in America wants to jail journalists and media CEOs, go look at any forum with a substantial amount of Republicans talking freely.

> And if you think nobody in America wants to jail journalists and media CEOs, go look at any forum with a substantial amount of Republicans talking freely. I'm a liberal and would like to point out that fellow liberals say the same about conservatives. We're wasting energy and making enemies fighting a narrative warfare, and it's frankly very stupid. Jail the their protestors, but not our own. Deplatform their voice…

Nearly all of recorded human history has been rule by gangsters - the liberal democracies of the rich world are an aberration, not the norm. I think about this almost daily and it terrifies me.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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A new arrival to Gulag is asked: "What were you given 10 years for?" – "For nothing!" – "Don't lie to us here, now! Everybody knows 'for nothing' is 3 years."

I literally laughed out loud when I hit that line in Gulag Archipelago. Solzhenitsyn was brilliant.

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Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be honest, the blue camp is different only in rhetoric: if the red wants control in the name of national security, the blue wants the same control in the name of grotesque moral rightnessess. Fake news is a good summary of our media today, it just applies to both camps.

Bullshit false equivalence. I notice that Democrats aren't forming white supremacist militias, plotting to kidnap state governors, attacking Congress specifically to overturn the results of a national election, etc.

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Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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I guess why: https://nitter.snopyta.org/MarkAmesExiled/status/14991264245... No one is innocent here. On Spanish media they dared to use videogame images (Arma 3) as real footage, ditto with a Chinese civil explosion (causality/accident) as a Russia bombing strike.

> No one is innocent I'm going to go with jailing citizens for 15 years as much worse than mildly critical journalists in Russia. Ignoring your combo whataboutism and gish gallop. Don't think Russia has much jurisdiction over some Spanish news channel.

https://wikiless.org/wiki/Language_policy_in_Ukraine?lang=en

Look what happened in Ukraine. Among neonazis, they supported this:

Ukraine's 2017 education law will make Ukrainian the required language of study in state schools from the fifth grade on, although it allows instruction in other languages as a separate subject,[65][66][67] to be phased in in 2023.[68] Since 2017, the Hungary–Ukraine relations rapidly deteriorated over the issue of the Hungarian minority in Ukraine.[69] According to the New Europe:

The latest row between Kiev and Budapest comes on the heels of a bitter dispute over a decision by Ukraine's parliament – the Verkhovna Rada – to pass a legislative package on education that bars primary education to all students in any language but Ukrainian. The move has been widely condemned by the international community as needlessly provocative as it forces the historically bilingual population of 45 million people who use Russian and Ukrainian interchangeably as mother tongues to become monolingual. Furthermore, the large minorities of Hungarians, Jews, Poles, Tatars, Gypsies, Romanians, Caucasians, and Gagauz generally speak and receive some formal or informal education in their own national languages, all of which will be adversely affected by the new draconian language statute.

Also:

Lviv Oblast Unian reported that "A ban on the use of cultural products, namely movies, books, songs, etc., in the Russian language in the public has been introduced" in the Lviv Oblast in September 2018.[71] Critics[who?] called the law ill-defined, illegal, and unconstitutional, and a successful January 2019 court challenge by the Chuhuiv Human Rights Group was dismissed on technical grounds in May, and could lead to a complaint before the European Court of Human Rights.[72]

They tried to ban the public usage of Russian in Ukraine.

That's a little step towards fascism.

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