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Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by kristiandupont » Thu, Mar 03, 2022, 5:34 AM UTC

stephen_g wrote: post #22

nextlevelwizard wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because if we don’t remove Russia from the world completely we are approving their invasion and keep the door open for further invasions. Only solution is to segregate whole country and all their allies from the world until they remove their leaders from positions of power

Have sanctions ever worked for that? Iran has been under strict sanctions for years - they haven’t removed their regime, but the people there do burn American flags in the streets… Also in Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea it doesn’t seem to have helped… I don’t have any better ideas, just doesn’t seem like sanctions really work at all as either a deterrent or punishment…

I hate that innocent Russians are suffering from this and will suffer for years to come. But even if the sanctions won't help overthrow the regime, they will certainly make it harder for Russia to keep funding their war.

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by nextlevelwizard » Thu, Mar 03, 2022, 5:36 AM UTC

throwaway_rsp1 wrote: post #23

nextlevelwizard wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because if we don’t remove Russia from the world completely we are approving their invasion and keep the door open for further invasions. Only solution is to segregate whole country and all their allies from the world until they remove their leaders from positions of power

^ Because if we don’t remove Russia from the world completely we are approving their invasion and keep the door open for further invasions. Only solution is to segregate whole country and all their allies from the world until they remove their leaders from positions of power How can you even think about segregating Russia, if China and India aren't onboard? Yes, these two countries are not going to sanction Russia. O…

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Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by paxys » Thu, Mar 03, 2022, 5:38 AM UTC

randomhodler84 wrote: post #11

Nah. But in all seriousness, this is totalitarian ruling. Wtf eu? RT might be a trash fire propaganda news but the EU ain’t at war with Russia. If the people want to listen to the propaganda, and I’m sure there were listener equivalents in neutral places either via SW or MW broadcast in ww2. Making it illegal to route packets to them and to circumvent the block? Garbage tier laws.

EU and Russia are at war in all but name. One of the key challenges in such situations is combating enemy propaganda, and so not letting the Russian state controlled broadcaster play in your country 24x7 is a no brainer.

Plus it isn't just about the content. Running a TV network can be a massively profitable business, and in this case the money is going out of EU citizens' pockets and straight to the Russian government. Pretty contradictory to impose sanctions and spend money arming Ukraine while also giving Russia a free revenue stream.

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by nextlevelwizard » Thu, Mar 03, 2022, 5:39 AM UTC

stephen_g wrote: post #22

nextlevelwizard wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because if we don’t remove Russia from the world completely we are approving their invasion and keep the door open for further invasions. Only solution is to segregate whole country and all their allies from the world until they remove their leaders from positions of power

Have sanctions ever worked for that? Iran has been under strict sanctions for years - they haven’t removed their regime, but the people there do burn American flags in the streets… Also in Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea it doesn’t seem to have helped… I don’t have any better ideas, just doesn’t seem like sanctions really work at all as either a deterrent or punishment…

Russia is a modern country with quite a lot of wealthy people. Maybe this time they can put up enough pressure to change the leadership. Anyway this is all we can do without starting a world war

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by throwaway_rsp1 » Thu, Mar 03, 2022, 5:40 AM UTC

nextlevelwizard wrote: post #25

ipaddr wrote: post #18

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Isn't this just a repeat of the cold war where one side didn't trade with another? All while pointing enough nuclear weapons to blow up the world 4 times over. Not sure if this strategy is the safest option globally. Russia wants a buffer from nato give them some assurance.

What assurances do they need? Western world has had peace for decades and only Russians have been the aggressors in any form. They are not getting any kind of buffer in fact do to this invasion they have forced Finland and Sweden to join NATO or face the same fate as Ukraine within the next decade.

What russia is doing right now is wrong but Please read the NATO Bucharest Summit Declaration.

It has long been clear that Nato expansion would lead to tragedy. We are now paying the price for the US’s arrogance

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/28/nato-e...

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by stephen_g » Thu, Mar 03, 2022, 5:40 AM UTC

nextlevelwizard wrote: post #25

ipaddr wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't this just a repeat of the cold war where one side didn't trade with another? All while pointing enough nuclear weapons to blow up the world 4 times over. Not sure if this strategy is the safest option globally. Russia wants a buffer from nato give them some assurance.

What assurances do they need? Western world has had peace for decades and only Russians have been the aggressors in any form. They are not getting any kind of buffer in fact do to this invasion they have forced Finland and Sweden to join NATO or face the same fate as Ukraine within the next decade.

Well, if you don’t count the Yugoslavia, the Bosnian wars, etc. as being in the ‘Western world’…

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by nextlevelwizard » Thu, Mar 03, 2022, 5:40 AM UTC

kristiandupont wrote: post #31

stephen_g wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have sanctions ever worked for that? Iran has been under strict sanctions for years - they haven’t removed their regime, but the people there do burn American flags in the streets… Also in Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea it doesn’t seem to have helped… I don’t have any better ideas, just doesn’t seem like sanctions really work at all as either a deterrent or punishment…

I hate that innocent Russians are suffering from this and will suffer for years to come. But even if the sanctions won't help overthrow the regime, they will certainly make it harder for Russia to keep funding their war.

Yes. It sucks we can’t just target the bullies

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by viraptor » Thu, Mar 03, 2022, 5:40 AM UTC

im3w1l wrote: post #21

Razengan wrote: post #4

How does this complete silencing of a country not disturb anybody?

I find it worrying. Even if Russia is in the wrong here, I do see an RT ban in particular as a dangerous move. Even in wartime I do think it's important to be willing to listen to the other side. They may be wrong about the big picture, but there could still be an interesting tidbit or two to takeaway. All this talk made be go check RT out and one thing I learned is that the flight ban has left Russian tourists stran…

You're aware that RT does not present "the other side", right? As in they don't provide an alternative valid-even-if-misguided/conflicting view. They provide what Kremlin wants them to publish. There are other Russian publications which are still Russia-censored, but are actual news reports which will give you similar information to what you've found.

This is not "we ban Russia's news", it's "we ban Russia government publications pretending to be news and benefiting financially from it".

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by yanmaani » Thu, Mar 03, 2022, 5:43 AM UTC

3np wrote: post #13

IANAL but to me, this looks (hopefully unintentionally) much more insidious (emphasis mine): > It shall be prohibited for operators to broadcast or to enable, facilitate or otherwise contribute to broadcast, any content by the legal persons, entities or bodies listed in Annex XV, including through transmission or distribution by any means such as cable, satellite, IP-TV, internet service providers, internet video-sha…

IANAL, but as far as I know, EU laws are more important than national laws (you can search "Supremacy of EU law") except in Germany, so the question is if it violates the equivalent of the constitution of the EU.

According to EU officials, it does not.

I've sent out some e-mails, if what you say is true I will amend it.

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by halfmatthalfcat » Thu, Mar 03, 2022, 5:44 AM UTC

yanmaani wrote: post #20

Bancakes wrote: post #14

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Those who need garbage propaganda and are trained to handle it without manipulation, can use a VPN. Most people don't give 2 thoughts.

Where will you go when they block the VPNs?

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