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Re: Asian-Americans fight back against school discrimination

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Post by syspec »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #24
bpodgursky wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"White adjacent" is a real term used non-ironically by (at least some) progressives to describe Asians and some Middle Eastern groups.

I was recently informed that the term BIPOC is for every non white person except south and east and southeast Asians. That one threw me for a loop. Perhaps there should just be a word for descendants of people with lower socioeconomic status/power/opportunities.

Whoever told you that is an idiot, and the term biopic is also idiotic.

It basically means EVERYONE except white people - I think that does more harm that good

Re: Asian-Americans fight back against school discrimination

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Post by woodruffw »

endisneigh wrote: post #23

the problem is and always has been that the particular school you attend has too much weight, irrespective of ability or aptitude. if college admissions were high school blind then this wouldn't even matter to begin with. simply being great, regardless of which school you attend would be enough. re: TJH admissions: > In 2020, during the summer after George Floyd’s death, the Virginia state government announced that i…

> the problem is and always has been that the particular school you attend has too much weight, irrespective of ability or aptitude. if college admissions were high school blind then this wouldn't even matter to begin with. simply being great, regardless of which school you attend would be enough.

Concisely said. Blinding applicants' high schools would reveal the inequality in treatment latent in our educational system.

Re: Asian-Americans fight back against school discrimination

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Post by renewiltord »

TeeMassive wrote: post #2

What is the mainstream Progressive justification for discriminating against Asians?

The truth is unspeakable because it is unpalatable in its full form, but one can attempt to guess that it comes from the idea that, in a vacuum, all races would be represented equally at universities and that any deviation from that presents an outcome resulting from humans artificially inducing changes in the total population applying.

i.e. the idea that if a high number of Asians are making it in despite low prevalence in the total population, then it is because we have created a system that serves them disproportionately (and therefore unfairly).

Re: Asian-Americans fight back against school discrimination

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Post by dahfizz »

chernevik wrote: post #13

Set standards, let people meet them, and don't worry about what they look like.

Ideally, yes. But if the group of people who meet your standards does not exactly match the demographics of the general population, you will be held accountable.

Re: Asian-Americans fight back against school discrimination

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Post by Manuel_D »

woodruffw wrote: post #4
TeeMassive wrote: post #2

What is the mainstream Progressive justification for discriminating against Asians?

There is no "mainstream Progressive (sic) justification" for discriminating against Asians, because there is no progressive political platform built on discriminating against Asians. Many progressives believe in affirmative action, which doesn't say anything about the particulars of the groups that aren't being explicitly included. Nobody at all is interested in exclusion ; they are interested in more inclusion .

Proportional representation is inherently fixed sum. If X% of one group is too low and you want to increase it, then increasing that representation must also reduce the representation of other groups. There's no way around this.

The change to subjective admissions criteria that led to a drop from 73% Asians to under 50% at Thomas Jefferson could be said to be more inclusive of the races that saw increased representation. It's also correct to say that it's more exclusive of Asians.

Re: Asian-Americans fight back against school discrimination

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Post by jedberg »

chernevik wrote: post #13

Set standards, let people meet them, and don't worry about what they look like.

That's one way to do it, but then you just perpetuate the biases inherent in the system.

For example if the standards include "child of an alumni", that's not very fair. If the standards include GPA, that's not very fair to someone who went to a school that doesn't offer AP tests.

And what they look like is important because certain people experience life very differently depending on what they look like.

Re: Asian-Americans fight back against school discrimination

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Post by yhoneycomb »

goodoldneon wrote: post #22
TeeMassive wrote: post #2

What is the mainstream Progressive justification for discriminating against Asians?

The goal isn't to disadvantage Asians in particular. It's about balancing demographics by giving advantages to under-represented groups, which inherently means giving disadvantages to over-represented groups. Affirmative action is messy because it's getting in the middle of zero sum games (e.g. college admissions and hiring). But diversity is a significant problem in many parts of American society, and just about eve…

Let's not beat around the bush here. It's "messy" because it's racist against Asians.

Re: Asian-Americans fight back against school discrimination

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Post by woodruffw »

scythe wrote: post #30
woodruffw wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Seems like a cop-out to me, especially when dealing with scarce resources (ie. admission slots). Your policy of "more inclusion" by giving preferential treatment to one group, ends up excluding everyone else. I never agreed to artificial scarcity in the form of admission slots, and so I'm not interested in defending any particular consequence of that system.

>I never agreed to artificial scarcity in the form of admission slots, and so I'm not interested in defending any particular consequence of that system. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy

I don't think there's anything particularly dreamy or fanciful about a more equal educational system.

My understanding is that the US, with its uniquely devolved set of educational authorities and standards is alone in the developed world in terms of the inequality of education offered to its children.

Re: Asian-Americans fight back against school discrimination

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Post by [deleted] »

tuna-piano wrote: post #26
gruez wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"It's not racism if you're being discriminated against but have power" https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52993306 >On 28 May, Ms Mitchum emailed Merriam-Webster to point out that racism is "both prejudice combined with social and institutional power. It is a system of advantage based on skin colour".

No 17 year old college applicant has power. What would you call treating a 17 year old different based on their skin color? If we can't use the word racism anymore, then I'll call it bigoted.

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