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Re: DDoS attacks slow down Citizens' Initiative signing in Finland

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Americans should know they are responsible for what is happening in Ukraine now because their government has continuously interfered with Ukraine and Russian for a long time. This aggression coming out of America seems accounted for by the American culture that they worship money and strength and don't care much about weak people that they exploit. Even though I was born in a western country under the influence of we…

There are many holes in your statements. I am too tired to rebut them in HN-normal form.

However, I will say this: even if one accepts everything that you claim at face value, nothing justifies what Putin/Russia are doing in Ukraine right now.

Re: DDoS attacks slow down Citizens' Initiative signing in Finland

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Americans should know they are responsible for what is happening in Ukraine now because their government has continuously interfered with Ukraine and Russian for a long time. This aggression coming out of America seems accounted for by the American culture that they worship money and strength and don't care much about weak people that they exploit. Even though I was born in a western country under the influence of we…

By the time Americans recognize their own country's fault here it will be far too late. I think that both sides have their own propoganda machines, but the western/American machinery is far more complex, giving us the guise of "impartial journalism".

Re: DDoS attacks slow down Citizens' Initiative signing in Finland

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Americans should know they are responsible for what is happening in Ukraine now because their government has continuously interfered with Ukraine and Russian for a long time. This aggression coming out of America seems accounted for by the American culture that they worship money and strength and don't care much about weak people that they exploit. Even though I was born in a western country under the influence of we…

By the time Americans recognize their own country's fault here it will be far too late. I think that both sides have their own propoganda machines, but the western/American machinery is far more complex, giving us the guise of "impartial journalism".

Lots of new accounts like parent and gp blaming America for Russia invading Ukraine

Re: DDoS attacks slow down Citizens' Initiative signing in Finland

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post #31

Americans should know they are responsible for what is happening in Ukraine now because their government has continuously interfered with Ukraine and Russian for a long time. This aggression coming out of America seems accounted for by the American culture that they worship money and strength and don't care much about weak people that they exploit. Even though I was born in a western country under the influence of we…

There are many holes in your statements. I am too tired to rebut them in HN-normal form. However, I will say this: even if one accepts everything that you claim at face value, nothing justifies what Putin/Russia are doing in Ukraine right now.

I never said that Putin was a good guy or that I am in favor of his actions. You must see this as more nuanced than what the western media is presenting it as, though. If you look at this through a pragmatic lens, and see Putin as an actor playing the same game of geopolitical interests every other country is playing, you will easily understand how Washington's actions have led us to this point (albeit more subtly than the Kremlin).

Re: DDoS attacks slow down Citizens' Initiative signing in Finland

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By the time Americans recognize their own country's fault here it will be far too late. I think that both sides have their own propoganda machines, but the western/American machinery is far more complex, giving us the guise of "impartial journalism".

Lots of new accounts like parent and gp blaming America for Russia invading Ukraine

I usually lurk yes.. and there are new accounts i do not agree with too.. so would you like to comment on the actual substance of what I said?

Re: DDoS attacks slow down Citizens' Initiative signing in Finland

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This wouldn't be the case, as it is normal website behaviour. Users can't downvote posts (only comments) [0], and self posts on Hacker News are light grey by default [1]. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17735526 [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=468180

Hn's tacks are reliably the sharpest.

Re: DDoS attacks slow down Citizens' Initiative signing in Finland

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> I'm not sure this is "top of mind" for them to dedicate resources against This entire war is about Ukraine joining NATO, and the expanding NATO influence in general. How would another bordering country having a NATO referendum not be top of mind for Russia?

Ukraine is a much larger fixation to Putin beyond NATO. There wasn't really any indication of Ukraine joining NATO before Russia started its attacks, and Finland and Sweden have been floating the idea of joining NATO if Russia started a full assault.

"There wasn't really any indication of Ukraine joining NATO"

Yes there was. Going back to Clinton, there were moved to expand NATO eastward (at least once Nuclear possession was sorted out under Bush I/Baker) and it's been a sore spot for Putin ever since, although only distractingly so since about 2014. https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_37750.htm

Re: DDoS attacks slow down Citizens' Initiative signing in Finland

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Any indication to suggest it's DDoS and not just too many legitimate visitors for the site to handle?

Nordea in Finland is known for having slight issues several times a year, and they usually end rather quickly.

Yesterday, 2022-03-01 at roughly 09:00 UTC, I was completely blocked from accessing my bank account. Eight hours later, at roughly 17:00 UTC, it took me several attempts, each loading for over a minute, until I gained access to my account. "Normal" issues fail immediately, so this time felt completely different.

The YLE news article stated that this was indeed a DoS attack, and I think it's been years since a Finnish bank was targeted.

Re: DDoS attacks slow down Citizens' Initiative signing in Finland

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Americans should know they are responsible for what is happening in Ukraine now because their government has continuously interfered with Ukraine and Russian for a long time. This aggression coming out of America seems accounted for by the American culture that they worship money and strength and don't care much about weak people that they exploit. Even though I was born in a western country under the influence of we…

I find it highly interesting how people who try and put these despots in a rosy light almost always require using “America” as a foil for how totally evil and wrong they do everything, meanwhile ignoring the person they support has launched no fewer than three(just from my amateur knowledge) invasions into countries that Russia has __literally__ zero claim to in any sense.

By the way, I found your post totally unhinged, though you did hide it pretty well until your final point where the guy ordering assassinations against his political opponents(read: “when they threaten his power”) is somehow painted as the reasonable and moral person.

Re: DDoS attacks slow down Citizens' Initiative signing in Finland

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Americans should know they are responsible for what is happening in Ukraine now because their government has continuously interfered with Ukraine and Russian for a long time. This aggression coming out of America seems accounted for by the American culture that they worship money and strength and don't care much about weak people that they exploit. Even though I was born in a western country under the influence of we…

It's pretty clear almost all Ukrainians don't want to be part of Russia. The fact that Putin has a theory of history that he believes the will of common people should just bow down before is the cause of this invasion and the tensions between US and Russia. As usual, a paranoid leader obsessed with honor gained through force and machismo is blaming everyone but himself. Moreover, the so called "eastern expansion" of the west is driven by common people wanting freedom and prosperity, not by imperialistic machinations. Meanwhile russia has one of the highest emigration rates in the world. If NATO was war mongering why didn't NATO do much after the occupation of Crimea? Or after the attack on Georgia?

Putin life's work is bringing some imagined Russian glory back. But that's the exact mentality that brought suffering on the Russians through the ages. Be it a Tzarist Russia, a communist Russia or a putinist Russia. The common Russian was always sacrificed for some imagined Russian glory.

It's amazing that you can brush away the fact that Putin murders politicians activists and journalist who expose his corruption, and you still think he is genuine. Remember that he denied that he is going to invade ukrain multiple times just before he invaded? The only truth Putin recognizes is power. He will use half truths to manipulate, control and assert his dominance. Compare for example the western rhetoric blaming the war on Putin while acknowledging the common Russian as a victim. Putin's rhetoric OTOH is generalizing the enemy as some fictive "westerner" conglomerate coming after russia. This sort of demagogy is a tool to prepare a people for bloodshed and war, not for peace.

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