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Re: Huawei MatePad Paper – eInk Tablet

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Post by einpoklum »

hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #17
goosedragons wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's already been choice in the 10.3" eInk note pad segment, Kobo Elipsa, Fujitsu Quaderno, Boox Note and Note Air, Likebook P10W, Supernote A5X, etc. It's just such a niche thing combined with most of the devices being Asian focused and remarkable heavy online marketing that makes them seem like the only option.

They are still relatively expensive in relation to kindles. I really hope the prices get below $200 one day.

Whatever Amazon sells you, you're probably paying for it indirectly some other way.

Re: Huawei MatePad Paper – eInk Tablet

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Post by schwartzworld »

martin_a wrote: post #24
TekMol wrote: post #12

Will it have a browser? It would be great for reading HN, coding, writing if I could use it with a browser. I do all these in the browser and I only need black and white and no fancy tools. So even if the browser is much slower than on a desktop, it would still be great.

People usually recommend the "Boox" devices for that. As they are running on Android you can therefore, after activating it, access the Play Store to get a browser running... Maybe that's the way to go.

You can download einkbro which has optimizations for eink screens.

Re: Huawei MatePad Paper – eInk Tablet

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Post by netizen-936824 »

einpoklum wrote: post #31
hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are still relatively expensive in relation to kindles. I really hope the prices get below $200 one day.

Whatever Amazon sells you, you're probably paying for it indirectly some other way.

I agree. This is a poor comparison.

A product that's subsidized will always win the price war with one that's not

Re: Huawei MatePad Paper – eInk Tablet

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Post by robga »

smilespray wrote: post #25
chrismorgan wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The prices reMarkable advertise are deceptive to the point where I reckon they’re probably illegal under at least Australian advertising law: that price doesn’t include a marker, which is almost essential to the deliberately expressed purpose of the device; so add on another 20%. Most people will also want some kind of cover, which is another 20% for the cheapest reMarkable sells. You’ve got to be careful about this…

Also, if you want basic features like cloud sync and handwriting conversion, you have to sign up for the $8/mo subscription. Which is why hell will freeze over before I purchase a reMarkable. Incidentally, the free plan offers something called "50-day sync", which is described like this: "Without a subscription, you can still use the cloud to store and sync your notes. However, files will stop syncing to the mobile a…

> if you want basic features like cloud sync and handwriting conversion, you have to sign up for the $8/mo subscription.

You don't "have to" for cloud sync. Remarkable is a fairly open platform and there is a vibrant open source community surrounding it.

You can use a tool like the Remote Connection Utility [0], with support for $12pa. "RCU ensures the user's data is never out of their control, completely unshackled from the manufacturer's proprietary cloud.". There are other tools.

I can't speak to handwriting conversion as I don't use it, but I suspect they don't have any secret sauce and that any 3rd party recognition app can deal with the content if provided in a standard format. I sure wouldn't be wanting boox or Huawei clouds to scan my raw text.

[0] http://www.davisr.me/projects/rcu/

Re: Huawei MatePad Paper – eInk Tablet

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Post by echelon »

smilespray wrote: post #25
chrismorgan wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The prices reMarkable advertise are deceptive to the point where I reckon they’re probably illegal under at least Australian advertising law: that price doesn’t include a marker, which is almost essential to the deliberately expressed purpose of the device; so add on another 20%. Most people will also want some kind of cover, which is another 20% for the cheapest reMarkable sells. You’ve got to be careful about this…

Also, if you want basic features like cloud sync and handwriting conversion, you have to sign up for the $8/mo subscription. Which is why hell will freeze over before I purchase a reMarkable. Incidentally, the free plan offers something called "50-day sync", which is described like this: "Without a subscription, you can still use the cloud to store and sync your notes. However, files will stop syncing to the mobile a…

> Also, if you want basic features like cloud sync and handwriting conversion, you have to sign up for the $8/mo subscription.

> Which is why hell will freeze over before I purchase a reMarkable.

Maker of capital intensive hardware seeks revenue streams to bolster development and hire more engineers.

Chinese MANGA equivalent enters the chat with their own hardware financed from other business units and potentially subsidized.

This is why we can't have nice things.

We complain until the giants eat the market. Wait until you see the lock in they have in store. You won't be able to run arbitrary executables or hack on their devices like you can the reMarkable.

Pay more for products from small companies.

Re: Huawei MatePad Paper – eInk Tablet

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Post by lhl »

rich_sasha wrote: post #2

Phenomenal news. I’m hoping competition drives prices down. Remarkable 2 looks neat but so expensive. Now there’s choice.

I've been using a Onyx Boox Note 3 for a couple years now (I previously had a Remarkable 1 but it didn't stick for me) - it has Android 10 (w/ Google Play support) and even an SDK for responsive writing for 3rd party apps. It's been great for taking notes, and adequate for reading books and papers (although even a single color for highlighting would be a huge improvement).

Note, that Onyx is notorious for violating the GPL (it doesn't release kernel sources), while reMarkable is not only compliant, but much more hacker friendly in general: https://github.com/reHackable/awesome-reMarkable

But there are also other companies/products Boyue Likebook, Ratta Supernote, Quirklogic Papyr, Fujitsu Quaderno that compete in the e-ink notepad space as well. I'm keeping an eye on the Bigme Carve Color personally, which basically has all the hardware specs you'd want and color (Kaleido 2) to boot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ydo5FtSt_qQ

For those looking at color, it might be worth waiting a few months to see if 1) if the Reinkstone R1 is actually vaporware or not (it has an alternative DES that looks like it provides better looking color, but is being developed by a questionable Chinese company that's been best by delays) and if eInk's Kaleido 3 is a significant improvement.

For those interested in the relatively niche world of e-ink devices, I highly recommend MyDeepGuide as a good place to start: https://www.youtube.com/c/MyDeepGuide/videos

Re: Huawei MatePad Paper – eInk Tablet

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Post by lights0123 »

robga wrote: post #34
smilespray wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, if you want basic features like cloud sync and handwriting conversion, you have to sign up for the $8/mo subscription. Which is why hell will freeze over before I purchase a reMarkable. Incidentally, the free plan offers something called "50-day sync", which is described like this: "Without a subscription, you can still use the cloud to store and sync your notes. However, files will stop syncing to the mobile a…

> if you want basic features like cloud sync and handwriting conversion, you have to sign up for the $8/mo subscription. You don't "have to" for cloud sync. Remarkable is a fairly open platform and there is a vibrant open source community surrounding it. You can use a tool like the Remote Connection Utility [0], with support for $12pa. "RCU ensures the user's data is never out of their control, completely unshackled…

Cloud sync is also available by default without a subscription, just limited to files that were modified in the past 60 days.
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