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Even cows are extremely intelligent and emotional animals. Did you stop eating them?
Pigs and chickens too.
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World’s first octopus farm stirs ethical debate
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#32> "For now aquaculture is the only available option." Wrong. I've stopped eating octopus. Of course, we can't stop eating every animal, even many that obviously feel distress and emotions, but we really need to draw a line on reducing and making sure that we raise or naturally hunt animals in a humane as possible way. Octopus is one I've taken a line on. Others still weigh on me. "Aquaculture" is being billed as the…
> Of course, we can't stop eating every animal Why? There are plenty of people who do.
It is not always possible to get all the nutrients you need without animal products, either because they are not available or because the price is too high.
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#33It was always possible for me to perceive sentience, feelings and emotions from a variety of beings, I don't understand why grown adults are just reaching a cognitive maturity to notice that and making that a line in the sand on whether they will farm/consume a being based on that.
These seem to be two separate things to me? Can someone shed light on both:
a) why these are related concepts
b) your journey to cognitive maturity to notice at all
I really can't be the only one confused by this trend, this has got to be cultural as well
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#34> "For now aquaculture is the only available option." Wrong. I've stopped eating octopus. Of course, we can't stop eating every animal, even many that obviously feel distress and emotions, but we really need to draw a line on reducing and making sure that we raise or naturally hunt animals in a humane as possible way. Octopus is one I've taken a line on. Others still weigh on me. "Aquaculture" is being billed as the…
> Why do humans have a complete lack of an ability to say "stop, we're not going to do this anymore". Because not doing things leaves you with a distinct lack of capital. Not dragging on capitalism, just being descriptive: those who act collect the resources to act more
I also think humans are curious. We want new things, new experiences to discover, etc.
But also agree we should put the brakes on octopus farms. It's like a puppy mill for food.
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> Of course, we can't stop eating every animal Why? There are plenty of people who do.
It is not always possible to get all the nutrients you need without animal products, either because they are not available or because the price is too high.
Rice and lentils.
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> Of course, we can't stop eating every animal Why? There are plenty of people who do.
I can’t tell how true that is. I’ve certainly heard that a lot of people who claim to be vegan aren’t 100%. Are there any reliable studies on this topic?
Not eating animals does not immediately get you to vegan. Human body is not designed for a vegan diet. However, eating animal products that don't kill the said animal, (milk, cheese, yogurt, eggs etc) is sustainable and feasible. Of course factory farms, which encourages over consumption, are not the way to go.. Not everything needs to be eaten daily. Also, things like 4 egg omlet with a mountain of cheese etc are an abomination. Consume in moderation and the production won't be a burden on the planet.
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#37> Last year, researchers at the London School of Economics concluded from a review of 300 scientific studies that octopus were sentient beings capable of experiencing distress and happiness, and that high-welfare farming would be impossible. I don't understand how someone can decide to ignore that in an effort to make money. I fear that if we don't more quickly move the Overton window on the suffering of sentient cre…
the same would apply to pretty much all animals no? and dare I say plants too?
> and dare I say plants too?
I mean, if we also can't eat plants... there's not gonna be much left to eat.
Re: World’s first octopus farm stirs ethical debate
#38> "For now aquaculture is the only available option." Wrong. I've stopped eating octopus. Of course, we can't stop eating every animal, even many that obviously feel distress and emotions, but we really need to draw a line on reducing and making sure that we raise or naturally hunt animals in a humane as possible way. Octopus is one I've taken a line on. Others still weigh on me. "Aquaculture" is being billed as the…
> Of course, we can't stop eating every animal...
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> Why do humans have a complete lack of an ability to say "stop, we're not going to do this anymore".
I'm trying to understand how these two statements were separated by only a couple sentences.
Re: World’s first octopus farm stirs ethical debate
#39> "For now aquaculture is the only available option." Wrong. I've stopped eating octopus. Of course, we can't stop eating every animal, even many that obviously feel distress and emotions, but we really need to draw a line on reducing and making sure that we raise or naturally hunt animals in a humane as possible way. Octopus is one I've taken a line on. Others still weigh on me. "Aquaculture" is being billed as the…
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I commend you for your decision. I want to add that framing my ideas about animal suffering in an elastic way makes it easier for me to make incremental changes. An animal is either alive or dead. Maybe eating vegetarian once a week will save a life down the line. I urge everyone to resist the all-or-nothing approach, especially on such an important aspect of our ethical choices. No one's perfect, not even the vegan…
> I urge everyone to resist the all-or-nothing approach There is no other moral stance where someone could reasonably say this. Veganism is a moral stance the same way as "racism is bad" and "abusing my spouse is bad" is a moral stance. No one would ever say "I'm trying to limit kicking dogs to just Tuesday-Sunday". > vegan straight edge kids on Instagram who sneak a chicken nugget when no one's looking. You're proje…
> There is no other moral stance where someone could reasonably say this. Veganism is a moral stance the same way as "racism is bad" and "abusing my spouse is bad" is a moral stance. No one would ever say "I'm trying to limit kicking dogs to just Tuesday-Sunday".
I agree that this holds from an ethical standpoint, but from an environmental one reduction is perfectly reasonable and needs to be part of the conversation.