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Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

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Post by causi »

aunty_helen wrote: post #9
sudders wrote: post #6

Can't wait for framework laptop to run Linux/Ubuntu stable (without battery drain issues) Then I'll be switching all the developers in our company over to a new machine. (Currently running XPS 13, but we are due an upgrade, especially on memory)

This is a point that people should remember if they're thinking about purchasing a framework. This is still very much beta hardware. The battery drain is annoying, it's around 30-50% per night depending on what addon cards you have. I've got a setup that puts it close to 40% per night so the laptop has to live on charger over night if I want to use it the next day. However, the thing that's really stopping me from us…

Yes, I'll be excited about version 2. Version 1 just has too many missed opportunities. For example, a single type-c bay could accommodate two type-A ports, or one port and one microsd reader. Wasting a whole one on a reader is dumb when most laptops just have one stuck somewhere. Give me a bay with a pop-out bluetooth mouse in it. Give me a non-chiclet keyboard and a touchpad with real buttons and a dGPU option and a removable battery in standard and extended sizes.

Why buy a laptop with four interchangeable ports when my normal laptop has two USB-A, one USB-C, HDMI, microsd, and a charge port all at the same time? Heck you can't even charge the Framework unless you leave one port as USB-C.

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

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Post by deadmutex »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #14
Queue29 wrote: post #11

Will order one the day there is an AMD option.

Everyone says that, but realistically, at the size of their company, I can't imagine they have the resources to design, test and support both Intel and AMD designs in parallel at the present. HW development is insanely capital intensive and they're far away from the resources of the likes of Asus and MSI, let alone Lenovo or Dell.

And then the posts will be "I'll order it once they build a custom ARM soc" :).

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

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Post by gtvwill »

ghostly_s wrote: post #33

Interesting that the only two new laptops that have tempted me in years (the Framework and the new MBP) both arrived at roughly the same time yet with wildly different design philosophies.

I find it interesting that the mbp garnered so much attention from tech folk. Perf AVG, build eh. Ethos...terrible. yet still. Gets people in the door to buy it. Humans are wack.

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

#35

Post by fbkr »

twblalock wrote: post #30
Queue29 wrote: post #11

Will order one the day there is an AMD option.

This is the problem with trying to please power users. There is no monolithic bloc of them. They all want different things. AMD vs Intel? Touchscreens? Strong opinions about screen aspect ratio and resolution, keyboard layout, touchpads, wifi chipset brand, GPU brand, etc.? All there. I wish the company luck, but they are targeting the most picky consumer market there is.

Isn't this supposed to be a strength of framework? Their machines are pretty modular. Users should get to pick and choose AMD vs Intel, keyboard layouts, wifi chipsets without framework having to design different machines for each configuration.

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

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Post by humanwhosits »

isaac21259 wrote: post #13
humanwhosits wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but when you look at the ordering page, it doesn't mention linux as an OS option, just Windows or no OS

Do you think a significant amount of people who want to run Linux will want it preinstalled for them?

I want to know that the hardware will work with linux, and will continue to work with linux. A pre-install option is just one way to advertise and convince the user that you've tested the hardware to work on linux

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

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Post by gtvwill »

causi wrote: post #31
aunty_helen wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a point that people should remember if they're thinking about purchasing a framework. This is still very much beta hardware. The battery drain is annoying, it's around 30-50% per night depending on what addon cards you have. I've got a setup that puts it close to 40% per night so the laptop has to live on charger over night if I want to use it the next day. However, the thing that's really stopping me from us…

Yes, I'll be excited about version 2. Version 1 just has too many missed opportunities. For example, a single type-c bay could accommodate two type-A ports, or one port and one microsd reader. Wasting a whole one on a reader is dumb when most laptops just have one stuck somewhere. Give me a bay with a pop-out bluetooth mouse in it. Give me a non-chiclet keyboard and a touchpad with real buttons and a dGPU option and…

Well common then bunj. Jump on the kicads and fart out a add on board for your dual usb type A's, or any of the other add ons you mentioned. I mean hell why not just go all out and slap usb-c double sided on a single PCB! You should be able to cram at least 4 in the same area!

Point is you can do that w/ framework. Fat luck getting dell or some other behemoth to design a device you can do that with. They have done a stellar job given how many have had hopes and dreams to do similar but haven't even got a product in people's hands.

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

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Post by adamrt »

gtvwill wrote: post #34
ghostly_s wrote: post #33

Interesting that the only two new laptops that have tempted me in years (the Framework and the new MBP) both arrived at roughly the same time yet with wildly different design philosophies.

I find it interesting that the mbp garnered so much attention from tech folk. Perf AVG, build eh. Ethos...terrible. yet still. Gets people in the door to buy it. Humans are wack.

Perf Avg? I thought the M1 was absurdly fast, no?

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

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Post by wilmore »

gtvwill wrote: post #34
ghostly_s wrote: post #33

Interesting that the only two new laptops that have tempted me in years (the Framework and the new MBP) both arrived at roughly the same time yet with wildly different design philosophies.

I find it interesting that the mbp garnered so much attention from tech folk. Perf AVG, build eh. Ethos...terrible. yet still. Gets people in the door to buy it. Humans are wack.

> Perf AVG, build eh

What kind of MBP have you looked at?

I agree with the ethos part, but the current M1 devices are pretty unique in the laptop space.

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

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Post by qudat »

aunty_helen wrote: post #9
sudders wrote: post #6

Can't wait for framework laptop to run Linux/Ubuntu stable (without battery drain issues) Then I'll be switching all the developers in our company over to a new machine. (Currently running XPS 13, but we are due an upgrade, especially on memory)

This is a point that people should remember if they're thinking about purchasing a framework. This is still very much beta hardware. The battery drain is annoying, it's around 30-50% per night depending on what addon cards you have. I've got a setup that puts it close to 40% per night so the laptop has to live on charger over night if I want to use it the next day. However, the thing that's really stopping me from us…

Running arch with wayland and sway on a framework. Setting up sleep-then-hibernate via systemd works beautifully. I only lose a few % overnight.

That’s the thing with running Linux as a desktop, you’ve gotta tweak it to get it just right.

Battery life is a non issue for me on the framework. The speakers on the other hand is a brutal downgrade.

More thoughts here comparing a 2018 mbp: https://erock.io/2021/11/01/framework-vs-mbp.html

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