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Why Vladimir Putin and his entourage want war

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Re: Why Vladimir Putin and his entourage want war

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Post by HWR_14 »

gfosco wrote: post #10
baremetal wrote: post #2

I read this as why the economist and friends want russia to want war. but maybe im just cynical and jaded?

I don't think you're too cynical, but we can have our own takes. From what I was able to piece together, Russia isn't the one starting this conflict, in action. It's NATO aligned countries trying to get Ukraine to join NATO. Russia made it very clear, that ain't happening and they'll go to war over it. So who's still agitating for war? The zero-evidence claims that Russia was about to invade sure look like pure propa…

NATO's members and the Ukraine are sovereign countries. If they all want Ukraine to join NATO, it's not Russia's business. We don't say bullshit like "well, it's not the muggers fault he shot you. He made it clear he wanted to have your purse and was willing to shoot you for it"

Re: Why Vladimir Putin and his entourage want war

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Post by consp »

unclebucknasty wrote: post #18
baremetal wrote: post #2

I read this as why the economist and friends want russia to want war. but maybe im just cynical and jaded?

Russia annexed Crimea and has been engaged in a proxy war in Donbas for 8 years. The Kremlin has now amassed 100K - 200K troops at Ukraine's border. Yet, the Russian propaganda machine continues to claim it's the West that wants war. Can you explain how the West is the aggressor here?

While I agree with that premise, it is good to point out the NATO troops in Poland and the Baltic countries and weapon shipments to Ukraine is a thing. Though I doubt this is at the same scale, and we as simple people have no way to verify any of this and people generally trust the propaganda on whichever side they are on.

Re: Why Vladimir Putin and his entourage want war

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Post by VictorPath »

unclebucknasty wrote: post #18
baremetal wrote: post #2

I read this as why the economist and friends want russia to want war. but maybe im just cynical and jaded?

Russia annexed Crimea and has been engaged in a proxy war in Donbas for 8 years. The Kremlin has now amassed 100K - 200K troops at Ukraine's border. Yet, the Russian propaganda machine continues to claim it's the West that wants war. Can you explain how the West is the aggressor here?

> Russia annexed Crimea

The Russian military was in the Crimea back when redcoats were stationed in New York City, and has been in the Crimea ever since.

Re: Why Vladimir Putin and his entourage want war

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Post by QuadmasterXLII »

gfosco wrote: post #10
baremetal wrote: post #2

I read this as why the economist and friends want russia to want war. but maybe im just cynical and jaded?

I don't think you're too cynical, but we can have our own takes. From what I was able to piece together, Russia isn't the one starting this conflict, in action. It's NATO aligned countries trying to get Ukraine to join NATO. Russia made it very clear, that ain't happening and they'll go to war over it. So who's still agitating for war? The zero-evidence claims that Russia was about to invade sure look like pure propa…

I just don't see how the economist making zero evidence claims has any influence on whether putin sends tanks over the border. To war monger, surely you must have some effect on whether war happens!

Re: Why Vladimir Putin and his entourage want war

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Post by jabagigo »

gfosco wrote: post #10
baremetal wrote: post #2

I read this as why the economist and friends want russia to want war. but maybe im just cynical and jaded?

I don't think you're too cynical, but we can have our own takes. From what I was able to piece together, Russia isn't the one starting this conflict, in action. It's NATO aligned countries trying to get Ukraine to join NATO. Russia made it very clear, that ain't happening and they'll go to war over it. So who's still agitating for war? The zero-evidence claims that Russia was about to invade sure look like pure propa…

> Russia made it very clear, that ain't happening and they'll go to war over it

Russia is going to go to war with Ukraine if Ukraine does things Russia doesn't want them to do. And they told everyone they would ...

How is that not agitating for war?

Re: Why Vladimir Putin and his entourage want war

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Post by MeinBlutIstBlau »

valyagolev wrote: post #5

my favorite hot take from the economist about this war was that one article that considered if Russia might lose because the roads in Ukraine during spring are just dirty and bad from one of the worst publications to get one’s opinions from this graduated into comedy edit: for some people it was a serious enough proposition to entertain that i had to check and indicate that no, the analysis shows that russia won’t lo…

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Re: Why Vladimir Putin and his entourage want war

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Post by chrisseaton »

valyagolev wrote: post #5

my favorite hot take from the economist about this war was that one article that considered if Russia might lose because the roads in Ukraine during spring are just dirty and bad from one of the worst publications to get one’s opinions from this graduated into comedy edit: for some people it was a serious enough proposition to entertain that i had to check and indicate that no, the analysis shows that russia won’t lo…

Not sure why you think this is funny? Ground conditions are a critical factor in how Russia can use their armour.
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