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25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd take YOUR deal in a heartbeat. I pay $110/month for 75Mbps down / 10Mbps up and 300GB data. They also constantly harass me with upsells and raise prices 10% per year.

Tangential, but is a brand-new XGPON rollout more expensive to the provider than a DOCSIS 4.0 rollout?

Any gpon is cheaper than any docsis. HFC not only requires laying cables, the equipment is also expensive and it needs more power, so you have to pay for that too.

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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post #25

I'm waiting for mine to be installed. Does anyone have thoughts on appropriate hardware/software? At the moment I'm just running a Linux machine as my router, using standard nftables for NAT and firewall, but I'm curious what others think.

I think pfsense on a beefy enough system should be quite suitable for that kind of thing.

Also, congrats!

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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I have 1gbps. I had to get a decent router. Cheap home routers can't handle it even when they outright claim they can. You also want something better than cat5 for home wiring. Lastly spinning hard drives wont keep up on sustained reads/writes you need an SSD. The above is things you should do when you have 1gbps in order to actually get those speeds. I know people will argue citing 640k being enough for everyone and…

> You also want something better than cat5 for home wiring. For 25Gbps? Or are you meaning for the 1gbps you have? If the former, of course, but otherwise Cat5e can handle 10GbE if you have good connections and the loop length isn’t too long.

Yup. My whole house has Cat5E and it all works at 10gbps; though I chose to run 5gbps just to have some margin.

Most hard drives will keep up with a full gigabit pipe, too, on a sequential write. I think the poster is exaggerating a bit.

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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post #7

>CHF 64.75/month with annual billing (CHF 777.-/year) CHF 64.75 = ~$70USD. But why does 1 / 10 / 25Gbps all cost the same? I am wondering if there are any cheap Swiss Cloud Storage that one could make use of the upload and download speed. You really could have an external HDD in a DataCenter.

Define cheap. I use Swissbackup [0] which is around 4$ per TB. And rsync.net is at init7 IIRC.

[0] https://www.infomaniak.com/de/swiss-backup/tarife

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

#36
post #27

The reason this is available for this price in every house in the city of Zürich is because of a law that passed requiring every house to have fiber. The infrastructure is operated by the power and phone company and any service provider can use this fiber. I hope the whole of Switzerland will do something similar because there are still a lot of places without good internet and fiber is quite future proof. Home offic…

> fiber is quite future proof To give an example - OS2 single-mode fiber is the standard fiber for contemporary datacenter deployments and I assume also for last-mile deployments. It's super cheap (less than 20cpf for indoor cable, whereas cat7 copper is closer to 60cpf), has an insane range (a standard $25 fiber PHY can operate with a cable from 0m-10km), and has an insane bandwidth limit (it's currently used for ev…

> If you're wiring a home today, I would 100% use OS2 over CatN unless you also need PoE.

Won't you end up with a bunch of media converters everywhere though?

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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I have 1gbps. I had to get a decent router. Cheap home routers can't handle it even when they outright claim they can. You also want something better than cat5 for home wiring. Lastly spinning hard drives wont keep up on sustained reads/writes you need an SSD. The above is things you should do when you have 1gbps in order to actually get those speeds. I know people will argue citing 640k being enough for everyone and…

It's probably sold that way because they practically do not expect any residential customer to actually use it that much.

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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post #6

What sort of opportunities would open up if this sort of connection were ubiquitous? I could see netbooting your desktop to avoid having to buy a hard drive. Also instead of downloading large game assets they could just stream on demand. (Even though downloads would go really fast anyway.) 4K and 8K video streams are already done reasonably at 100 mbps. Some sort of 3D point cloud streaming?

While yes, the bandwidth is certainly enough and comparable to fast (but not fastest) consumer-grade storage these days (2-3 GB/s), I'd be more concerned with latency issues as NVMe tends to have latency on the order of microseconds (so ~1/1000th that of a very low single-digit internet latency).

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

#39
post #23

The reason this is available for this price in every house in the city of Zürich is because of a law that passed requiring every house to have fiber. The infrastructure is operated by the power and phone company and any service provider can use this fiber. I hope the whole of Switzerland will do something similar because there are still a lot of places without good internet and fiber is quite future proof. Home offic…

It's not just the city of Zürich, Adliswil has it too, at the very least. I believe Init7 leases fibre from Swisscom in other locations. My understanding is that federal law requires Swisscom to give access to its infrastructure to other companies for a fair price.

Yes Swisscom has to lease it's infrastructure to every ISP the product is called BBCS [0]

[0] https://www.swisscom.ch/en/business/wholesale/angebot/anschl...

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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post #15

I have 1gbps. I had to get a decent router. Cheap home routers can't handle it even when they outright claim they can. You also want something better than cat5 for home wiring. Lastly spinning hard drives wont keep up on sustained reads/writes you need an SSD. The above is things you should do when you have 1gbps in order to actually get those speeds. I know people will argue citing 640k being enough for everyone and…

What’s your decent router? I’m in the market for something fresh and an Edgerouter-4 is looking long in the tooth…

I ended up getting a ridiculous looking Archer gx90 which is still a home router but not a cheap home router.

The main thing is that the CPU in it is 1.5ghz quad core. Before that I had a Linksys with a 800mhz a single core that literally couldn't route traffic fast enough.

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