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UK launches “No Place To Hide” propaganda campaign to ban E2EE
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#32Not a web person, but isn't https end-to-end encryption
Only in the sense that Zoom got lambasted for calling their original setup E2EE. "Well technically our servers that log everything are a end of the communication".
At least in the states they faced legal penalties for such a claim (albeit a slap on the wrist).
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#33A compromise could be to only disable E2EE when communicating with children over these platforms? How you ascertain a user is a child is probably a different matter though ...
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#34one of my opsec friends speculates that this is being done because the National Crime Agency (nca) doesn't have any credible digital forensics capacity.
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#35What a waste of public money. As the paraphrased saying goes: “If you outlaw Encryption only outlaws will have Encryption.” It doesn’t solve a thing, other than make politicians look like they are doing something. Petty thieves, small time drug dealers and other small time criminals may end up without encryption. But it doesn’t solve organised crime, there are the problem and they are intelligent enough to use an enc…
Well if only (non-crypto) criminals use crypto and that is defective illegal then only criminals will be punished. That aspect is not a-priori immoral to me. I don't see how you can win over many people by repeating a mantra like this...
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#36Didn't the wikileaks stuff show the GCHQ and other five eyes agency basically have direct access to all this information anyway.
I don't know enough about E2EE to know whether a backdoor or some other circumvention is possible.
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#37Sorry for the choice words, but shit like this makes my blood boil. You're not trying to "keep our children safe" motherfucker, and you know it. You're trying to prevent people from being able to have private conversations, so your secret agencies can harvest all the data from everyone easily. To phrase it as "but think of the children" is instrumentalizing the actual victims of child abuse and you should be ashamed.
To be honest the motivation to keep our children (or people more generally) safe seems way more clear to me that the motivation… to prevent people from having private conversations… to what end?
So that they can better control you?
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#38Sorry for the choice words, but shit like this makes my blood boil. You're not trying to "keep our children safe" motherfucker, and you know it. You're trying to prevent people from being able to have private conversations, so your secret agencies can harvest all the data from everyone easily. To phrase it as "but think of the children" is instrumentalizing the actual victims of child abuse and you should be ashamed.
To be honest the motivation to keep our children (or people more generally) safe seems way more clear to me that the motivation… to prevent people from having private conversations… to what end?
Except that Removing encryption actively endangers children (and everyone else).
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#39Sorry for the choice words, but shit like this makes my blood boil. You're not trying to "keep our children safe" motherfucker, and you know it. You're trying to prevent people from being able to have private conversations, so your secret agencies can harvest all the data from everyone easily. To phrase it as "but think of the children" is instrumentalizing the actual victims of child abuse and you should be ashamed.
This is blatant disrespect of the people. Every time the government, its agencies and their pet organizations draw the "protect the children" card that's appealing to the most technically-illiterate and privacy-unmindful people who have zero understanding of how does the web work, can't think two turns in advance and naïvely believe they "have nothing to hide" and nothing like this[1] can possibly affect them, let alone an inherently malevolent party getting their unencrypted data to misuse it in quite a number of ways possible.
Re: UK launches “No Place To Hide” propaganda campaign to ban E2EE
#40Sorry for the choice words, but shit like this makes my blood boil. You're not trying to "keep our children safe" motherfucker, and you know it. You're trying to prevent people from being able to have private conversations, so your secret agencies can harvest all the data from everyone easily. To phrase it as "but think of the children" is instrumentalizing the actual victims of child abuse and you should be ashamed.
To be honest the motivation to keep our children (or people more generally) safe seems way more clear to me that the motivation… to prevent people from having private conversations… to what end?
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