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Porn sites will be legally required to verify users' age using credit card

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Post by donatj »

onion2k wrote: post #2

Studies show that half of 11 to 13-year-olds have seen pornography at some point. What's missing from that stat is where they saw porn. Reddit, Twitter, Instagram, Imgur, etc are full of porn but aren't technically porn sites. If that's where kids are accessing porn then blocking porn sites will not fix the problem. Unless you understand what the problem actually is there will be no way to fix it.

I think the half statistic is way too low. When I was in elementary school in the early 90s, everyone had seen a friends dads magazines. I’m sure it’s close to 100% these days.

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Post by scrollaway »

MathCodeLove wrote: post #23
scrollaway wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Today a 13 y/o boy can see more breasts Poor little guy! Certainly can’t let young kids see breasts lest they become raging maniacs. Societal mental health, brought to you by bottled milk.

Glad you took that example and interpreted it in bad faith.

It’s not in bad faith. The example you gave is emblematic of where the cultural differences are.

Porn addiction may or may not be a problem but a puritan society only makes it worse. People freaking out about “what if a young’un sees the genitalia of the other gender” are, without fault, part of extreme puritan societies like the USA.

There is a similar problem around alcohol addiction and without fault, you’ll find that people have a much worse relationship with alcohol when their first introduction to it is a massive party for their 21st. Anecdotally, my first taste of alcohol was red wine at 12 (I’m French and it’s pretty common here). Today I rarely ever drink anything.

The problem in that equation is not the availability of porn, it’s the taboo around sex.

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Post by sdze »

MathCodeLove wrote: post #29
Mindwipe wrote: post #19

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> Porn addiction is a very real issue It's literally highly contested if it even exists. The evidence base is extremely poor.

What's contested is if its the porn itself that causes the addiction or the feedback loop and easy access is what leads to compulsive consumption. No mainstream psychological organization is saying that there are no addictive or compulsive behaviors associated with excess porn consuption, just that it doesnt meet the critia as a medically diagnosed addiction and is closer to a compulsion. For laymen however, referrin…

Porn addiction is a marketing gimmick from the sphere of „nofap“ and co snakeoil salesmen.

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Post by CTOSian »

Havoc wrote: post #16

Also any viewing of porn is posted as a status update to Facebook and instagram just to be extra sure no 17 year olds slip through the net

plus notify the local authorities to update the household records just in any case...

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Post by MathCodeLove »

scrollaway wrote: post #32
MathCodeLove wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Glad you took that example and interpreted it in bad faith.

It’s not in bad faith. The example you gave is emblematic of where the cultural differences are. Porn addiction may or may not be a problem but a puritan society only makes it worse. People freaking out about “what if a young’un sees the genitalia of the other gender” are, without fault, part of extreme puritan societies like the USA. There is a similar problem around alcohol addiction and without fault, you’ll find…

I could have easily replaced "breasts" with "intercourse" and the message conveyed would be the same. Children are being exposed to exponentially more sexually charged content in the first few years of their lives than most men historically have been in their entire lives.

This isn't a case of rampant puritanism, go to Pornhub (one of the milder purveyors) and tell me that most of their front-page content is a depiction of healthy sex between two loving adults.

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Post by Proven »

onion2k wrote: post #2

Studies show that half of 11 to 13-year-olds have seen pornography at some point. What's missing from that stat is where they saw porn. Reddit, Twitter, Instagram, Imgur, etc are full of porn but aren't technically porn sites. If that's where kids are accessing porn then blocking porn sites will not fix the problem. Unless you understand what the problem actually is there will be no way to fix it.

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Post by [deleted] »

kuschkufan wrote: post #30
consumer451 wrote: post #15

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I don’t know the shady data economy at all, but are there datasets out there which let you de-anonymize just via residential/mobile IP address or hostname? I just assumed there were, available to any very motivated party. And how effective and wide spread is browser fingerprinting to de-anon someone?

Consumer451 seems to be insuating that age verification by CC for porn might be okay? Since your privacy online is lost anyhow? While stating "he doesn't know ... at all".

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Post by consumer451 »

kuschkufan wrote: post #30
consumer451 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t know the shady data economy at all, but are there datasets out there which let you de-anonymize just via residential/mobile IP address or hostname? I just assumed there were, available to any very motivated party. And how effective and wide spread is browser fingerprinting to de-anon someone?

Consumer451 seems to be insuating that age verification by CC for porn might be okay? Since your privacy online is lost anyhow? While stating "he doesn't know ... at all".

> Consumer451 seems to be insuating that age verification by CC for porn might be okay? Since your privacy online is lost anyhow? While stating "he doesn't know ... at all".

How did kuschkufan manage to put those words into my mouth?

Really, how did you get that from what I said?

I was just pointing out that it might not take a credit card to ID you. And I really don’t know what datasets are out there, but I assume the worst.

Re: Porn sites will be legally required to verify users' age using credit card

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Post by [deleted] »

IIAOPSW wrote: post #4
onion2k wrote: post #2

Studies show that half of 11 to 13-year-olds have seen pornography at some point. What's missing from that stat is where they saw porn. Reddit, Twitter, Instagram, Imgur, etc are full of porn but aren't technically porn sites. If that's where kids are accessing porn then blocking porn sites will not fix the problem. Unless you understand what the problem actually is there will be no way to fix it.

>Unless you understand what the problem actually is there will be no way to fix it. Oh that's easy. The problem is with society. No one is in any way damaged or traumatized cause they saw some sex on a screen at approximately 13 years old. Its ridiculous we go through the intrusive charade of trying to stop them. The problem is there is no problem.

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