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Re: Recruiters lying about salary? Is this just me or is it getting out of control?

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Post by irvingprime » Tue, Feb 08, 2022, 2:12 AM UTC

totalZero wrote: post #12

pclmulqdq wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my experience, they usually won't tell you who the clients are unless they are actually interested in you for the role. I have tried this with one recruiter, and it didn't work well.

If they don't tell you the client then why would you continue interacting with them?

Bingo! I always ask for salary, tech stack, industry and client name. The first three are to help me decide if I care. The last one is so I can research the company, position, salaries, etc.

I find it slightly annoying if they don't give those details up front. If they refuse to give them when asked, we have nothing more to talk about.

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Post by forgotmyacc » Tue, Feb 08, 2022, 4:47 AM UTC

throwaway22032 wrote: post #19

My salary is up to one million dollars. Well, it's at the high end of the range, anyway. By the way, I define high as being in the top 90%.

what do you do?

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Post by sleepingadmin » Tue, Feb 08, 2022, 1:12 PM UTC

Recruiters lying?

In other news, water is wet so long as bears shit in the woods.

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Post by itsdrewmiller » Tue, Feb 08, 2022, 7:44 PM UTC

mvid wrote: post #22

andrewxdiamond wrote: post #14

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If they do tell you the client, why would you stay? Going direct is cheaper for the hiring company and can net you a better deal. That’s why they don’t tell you the client up-front, it’s the only leverage they have.

Any decent internal recruiter has an agreement that if they reached out to you, even if you bypassed them to contact the company, they get credit. And you are probably being contacted through a CRM that automates it for them.

I'd love to see how this is written into the contract. I've worked on the company side with a lot of contingency recruiters and the wording is never broad enough to cover "we talked to them but didn't actually send them to you".

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Post by totalZero » Thu, Feb 10, 2022, 5:17 PM UTC

andrewxdiamond wrote: post #14

totalZero wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they don't tell you the client then why would you continue interacting with them?

If they do tell you the client, why would you stay? Going direct is cheaper for the hiring company and can net you a better deal. That’s why they don’t tell you the client up-front, it’s the only leverage they have.

I wouldn't want to hire someone who goes behind the back of the recruiter who did the work to connect the company with a prospective employee. It seems demonstrative of a lack of ethics.

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Post by andrewxdiamond » Thu, Feb 10, 2022, 5:56 PM UTC

totalZero wrote: post #35

andrewxdiamond wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they do tell you the client, why would you stay? Going direct is cheaper for the hiring company and can net you a better deal. That’s why they don’t tell you the client up-front, it’s the only leverage they have.

I wouldn't want to hire someone who goes behind the back of the recruiter who did the work to connect the company with a prospective employee. It seems demonstrative of a lack of ethics.

Seems obvious in isolation like that, but the employer probably wouldn’t know you skipped past the recruiter. All they would know is that you came to them direct, and direct hires are a lot cheaper

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Post by totalZero » Thu, Feb 10, 2022, 7:56 PM UTC

andrewxdiamond wrote: post #36

totalZero wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't want to hire someone who goes behind the back of the recruiter who did the work to connect the company with a prospective employee. It seems demonstrative of a lack of ethics.

Seems obvious in isolation like that, but the employer probably wouldn’t know you skipped past the recruiter. All they would know is that you came to them direct, and direct hires are a lot cheaper

Depends on the industry, I guess. Recruiters in my industry tend to interact directly with the hiring managers and it would be pretty obvious.