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Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by easton »

xlii wrote: post #9

I think that the best way for Apple to conform to all those regulations would be dual-tiering the iPhone (which I know they avoided for years) in software or even by two box designs. One would be "casual" iPhone (called just iPhone or iPhone Family), that'd have all the safety warnings, walled garden exits notification etc. etc., and then there would be "expert" edition or whatever, where there would be minimal notif…

> Maybe even with swapping one to another in a hard way (for example requiring resetting full phone and re-linking it again - so it cannot be casually by convincing someone to).

This is the idea I've liked the most, require plugging into Apple Configurator or Xcode to put the device into developer "beware all ye who enter here" mode which forces a wipe. I've never heard of anyone casually unlocking their bootloader on Android, which requires a similar process. You'd lose most people once you said "plug it into a computer", and everyone who isn't a dev once you said "wipe the phone".

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by causi »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #29
causi wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then use the common threshold. I'm sure Epic would happy to keep a version of their games on the App Store with all prices inflated by thirty percent.

Their saga with the Play Store shows that that isn’t the case.[0] Once you allow third parties to use different stores, and those stores aren’t as restrictive, you bet businesses are gonna move there. The whole “if you like the App Store, just don’t use the others” doesn’t work in practice. See also: the whole Steam vs Epic issue on Windows. Should Apple open their store? Sure. But it’s not as cut and dry as people m…

Apple would not let them charge one price for App Store payments and another price for external payments.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by huhtenberg »

But, wait! It gets even better [1]:

- Cannot also support IAP

- Website links are all to a single URL specified in Info.plist with no parameters - Must submit monthly report to Apple listing EVERY external transaction

All for measly 27% of the sales proceeds. A total steal.

Apple's really jerking on the regulators' chain. I sure hope they continue in the same vein, because the fallout will be spectacular.

[1] https://twitter.com/marcoarment/status/1489599440667168768

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by simion314 »

tiagoleifert wrote: post #2

From "Distributing dating apps in the Netherlands" ( https://developer.apple.com/support/storekit-external-entitl... ) section "Displaying the in-app modal sheet".

I did not know about this. Clearly shows how Apple will fight to keep it's abuses on each country individually and each sector individually, EU needs to intervene and make this global for EU.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by [deleted] »

FridayoLeary wrote: post #26
sschueller wrote: post #4

It's really time to do what needs to be done. I want the EU to force Apple and Google to allow 3rd party app stores with the exact same rights as theirs (auto updated etc.). Just like back in the day when Microsoft was forced to let users allow other browser when it wasn't even being blocked. Just theirs was pre-installed! The security excuse doesn't cut it, sorry. 3rd party app stores can be just as secure if not ev…

Why don't we buy their security concern? We then declare the App Store a utility and divorce it from Apple entirely. Pay Apple off and have it run as a non-profit supported by a minimal tax from Apple and developers.

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Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

floodle wrote: post #27
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A 20 year old PC still works A horse and buggy still work, that doesn’t mean the only purpose of cars is creating waste.

I think a horse and buggy and a car are different classes of technology. A better comparison is old cars and new cars. Creating waste is not the only purpose of cars, but manufacturers sure do like to push newer models for the sake of sales, disregarding the waste problem. Right now my 40 year old car still runs just fine. But that's because public infrastructure still supports it. With tricks like manufacturer-speci…

> Right now my 40 year old car still runs just fine

But it doesn’t have modern safety features, to say nothing of its fuel efficiency.

> that's because public infrastructure still supports it

Public infrastructure supports old computers fine. Just like with old cars, people value the new things being brought to the table.

That doesn’t mean every new feature is wanted. But on the balance, most people upgrade their phones and computers out of choice.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by jamil7 »

huhtenberg wrote: post #33

But, wait! It gets even better [1]: - Cannot also support IAP - Website links are all to a single URL specified in Info.plist with no parameters - Must submit monthly report to Apple listing EVERY external transaction All for measly 27% of the sales proceeds. A total steal. Apple's really jerking on the regulators' chain. I sure hope they continue in the same vein, because the fallout will be spectacular. [1] https:/…

They also don't provide a view controller or something you can present to display the warning as they do with other things like this, you have to build the view yourself according to their silly specs... Phil Schiller needs to go.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

amcoastal wrote: post #18
throwaway22032 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, my 20 year old car still works. There are 50 year old cars on my road - our cars could probably go on forever (though they won't, within 10 or 20 years my city will probably mandate electric drivetrains). I think that newer cars are more likely to create waste for many of the same reasons. Of course we can't extend the timeline out forever, but we can at least take steps to not _artificially_ cause obsolescence…

Planned obsolescence is the entire backbone of the American economy. We could get rid of it in one fell swoop, but then basically every company in the country would go bankrupt and then the world. A sad state of affairs. Perhaps incremental improvements and clawing back of Right-to-Repair etc. can give us some semblence of not being facebooters, but also allow our shit-tier companies to adjust.

> Planned obsolescence is the entire backbone of the American economy

Your response to a comment about decades-old cars still working is to pitch a planned-obsolescence conspiracy theory?

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by unfocussed_mike »

I am puzzled that he really appears to find it funny.

I am a long-time Mac user and I find myself fervently hoping that Apple has made the completely unnecessary self-own that will finally help people forget the whole keyboard fiasco.

This is the most staggering example of deliberate, bad-faith arrogance that they could have come up with. If Apple is now the kind of business that joyfully thumbs its nose at regulators like Facebook did, we are in the bad timeline.

[edit to add: I don't expect them to like dealing with regulators, and I do expect them to loudly complain in press releases and in the FT and WSJ and on every business TV programme in the world. I then expect them to comply in a way that is productive, whereas this is just aggression, and it'll only leave a bad taste with developers and customers. If they want the same instinctive response as RyanAir, this is the way to go about it]

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by Arnt »

sschueller wrote: post #12
Arnt wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A fine goal, and I approve strongly, but I worry that without a real understanding of what has happened in China, the outcome might be prices like China's (50% cut being typical, https://archive.fo/5dvsz ). And IMO, anyone who says "well, obviously the only reason…" doesn't really understand.

I don't think so and this is where unregulated markets (although I am not a fan at all) would push the prices down. If anyone can provide an app store and that app stores fees are lower people will move. What Apple and Google need to do is work on assuring that Apps can be uniquely identified (which the can already) and validated so that you don't have a clone of an App in another app store.

AIUI China has many mobile phone builders that all use android with minimal customisation, so they're basically interchangeable except for the prices of the vendor-provided app store on each. And apparently none of them use app pricing to undercut the others, unless I've overlooked recent developments?

It's not clear to me why the Chinese competition fails at undercutting Apple/Google and the proposed app store competition would achieve that. I don't see the relevant difference.

The unique identifier on Android is easily broken, BTW. I don't know iOS well, but on android it's simple. IIRC you don't even need an android development kit, the java tools will do. This fine web page lets you download a formerly welll-known app; someone downloaded the app, unzipped the executable (which is in zip format), resigned and uploaded. https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/app-quickpic-v4-5-2-class...

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