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Apple Event for iPhone 5 announcement on October 4th

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Re: Apple Event for iPhone 5 announcement on October 4th

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By most accounts the iPhone 5 will not have LTE. That's going to sting with Verizon customers in the United States. While it will probably support HSPA+ on AT&T which is already decently fast, Verizon CDMA is direly slow. It will be a hard sell to get Verizon customers to pass up LTE for the next two years when there are already a few really good Android phones with LTE and most major cities have LTE coverage right n…

On a list of customer wishes, I don't think that LTE is even in the top five. This doesn't necessarily mean that competitors are lacking in those areas compared to Apple. I could argue that iCloud, and the backing up of application data, is more important.

For all of what is being said, no one really knows anything which makes the point moot.

Re: Apple Event for iPhone 5 announcement on October 4th

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post #21

By most accounts the iPhone 5 will not have LTE. That's going to sting with Verizon customers in the United States. While it will probably support HSPA+ on AT&T which is already decently fast, Verizon CDMA is direly slow. It will be a hard sell to get Verizon customers to pass up LTE for the next two years when there are already a few really good Android phones with LTE and most major cities have LTE coverage right n…

I had a Droid on Verizon for about a year and a half, and I definitely wouldn't call it "direly slow". I'm now on AT&T with an iPhone, and it feels to be about the same speed as Verizon was.

Re: Apple Event for iPhone 5 announcement on October 4th

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post #21

By most accounts the iPhone 5 will not have LTE. That's going to sting with Verizon customers in the United States. While it will probably support HSPA+ on AT&T which is already decently fast, Verizon CDMA is direly slow. It will be a hard sell to get Verizon customers to pass up LTE for the next two years when there are already a few really good Android phones with LTE and most major cities have LTE coverage right n…

I agree with the sentiment, but to play devil's advocate:

Last quarter Verizon had a couple LTE Android handsets. They sold 1.2M LTE devices (both handsets and modems) while they sold 2.3M iPhones. The iPhone 5 will be coming 1-2 quarters later, but a lack of LTE might not be as big a deal for the majority of users as it is for, well, people who read this site. Verizon should be posting third quarter numbers in a month so we'll see if LTE has taken off in device sales since then.

Likewise, many users might appreciate the battery life of not having LTE. I don't like not having the latest technology or the best processor. However, I know that in my laptop my quality of using it would be better served by lower temperatures than the faster processor that I have. Likewise, I know that I would be better served by a longer battery life than faster web access on my phone (again, a personal statement not necessarily applicable to you). Just as it is a hard sell to get a phone that won't have the new technology and be stuck with it for 2 years, it's also a hard sell to get a device with significantly reduced battery life knowing that batteries will lose a good bit of capacity over those two years. And which is going to be more meaningful to your usage? It isn't a rhetorical question as users have different usage patterns.

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Frankly, it's a little surprising to me that Apple has waited until October to release an update. I understood why a June/July update wouldn't come with LTE. The chipsets that would offer decent battery life were a good 6-9 months out. However, the Qualcomm MDM9615 (which people have been thinking would be the chipset for the first LTE iPhone) is going to be shipping in samples in "late 2011" and volume in early 2012. That makes the timing a bit harsh. Will this iPhone have a lifespan of 6 months after the last one lasted 15 months? I don't think Apple can wait until October 2012 for an LTE iPhone given that better chipsets are coming soon.

You never know what Apple can pull off. With their cash on hand and chip design abilities, it's possible that it will include LTE. While I don't think the current Verizon LTE lineup offers the size/battery life that Apple would demand to go LTE, the chipsets that would allow that are too close for Apple to be releasing an iPhone that will last an entire year. I can see a non-LTE iPhone selling well through 1Q2012 and not costing Apple too much in terms of marketshare. At the same time, I think a non-LTE iPhone would start becoming a hard sell before the 4th quarter of 2012 (a year from this October).

It's why I'm surprised that Apple didn't release a new iPhone on its normal schedule. A non-LTE iPhone then could have been replaced by an LTE iPhone in the March-July 2012 period and not made those who bought the 2011 iPhone feel like they didn't get at least close to a year before it was replaced.

Re: Apple Event for iPhone 5 announcement on October 4th

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Plenty of iPhone 1 customers gave up 3G. The phone landscape has certainly changed, but I don't see it as that hard a sell.

Plenty of iPhone customers also give 3G by using the device on T-Mobile. There aren't that many of them though compared to the number of people who switched to AT&T (or Verizon) just as there weren't that many people who bought the iPhone 1.

iPhone 1 sold pretty phenomenally considering it was a $600 phone, lacked 3G, etc. T-Mobile numbers are going to be dramatically depressed by having to buy unsubsidized and break the carrier lock.

Re: Apple Event for iPhone 5 announcement on October 4th

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post #21

By most accounts the iPhone 5 will not have LTE. That's going to sting with Verizon customers in the United States. While it will probably support HSPA+ on AT&T which is already decently fast, Verizon CDMA is direly slow. It will be a hard sell to get Verizon customers to pass up LTE for the next two years when there are already a few really good Android phones with LTE and most major cities have LTE coverage right n…

>By most accounts

Fallacy--appeal to anonymous authority. Whose accounts? The people who get paid based on page views?

>It will be a hard sell to get Verizon customers to pass up LTE

Again a fallacious argument and appeal to anonymous authority. Do most customers even know what LTE is AND do they care about it? Is it really a motivating factor in purchasing a phone and what evidence do we have of this?

Re: Apple Event for iPhone 5 announcement on October 4th

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post #29
post #21

By most accounts the iPhone 5 will not have LTE. That's going to sting with Verizon customers in the United States. While it will probably support HSPA+ on AT&T which is already decently fast, Verizon CDMA is direly slow. It will be a hard sell to get Verizon customers to pass up LTE for the next two years when there are already a few really good Android phones with LTE and most major cities have LTE coverage right n…

I'm a very technology-focused individual, and yet, I only have a passing awareness of what LTE is or why I should care about it. I'm happy enough with 3G as-is, and I'd actually want faster mobile processors before I wanted more bandwidth. If I'm unfamiliar and ambivalent, I really doubt the public at large is going to even notice.

I'm in the same boat. EDGE speeds were painfully slow, but 3G is more than good enough.

Unless you're streaming from Netflix or downloading large files, I don't think LTE will make much of a difference to the vast majority of consumers.

Re: Apple Event for iPhone 5 announcement on October 4th

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Personally, I feel product announcements should be made by the head of the team that developed the product in the company. That's what Google does, for example. It gives some well deserved spotlight to that person for their hard work. It also prevents the company from developing an image that it is entirely dependent on one person for all it's product development, be it true or not.

> Personally, I feel product announcements should be made by the head of the team that developed the product in the company. That's what Google does, for example. At Apple, the head of the team for any major product release is effectively the CEO.

Do you speak from experience? Or from what you've gathered from various media? I ask b/c I've heard otherwise (especially during the last years of Jobs's tenure as CEO).

Re: Apple Event for iPhone 5 announcement on October 4th

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This is total speculation, and probably easily explainable by any number of things, but: I bought the iPhone 4 the day it came out, subsidized price. I just called *639# to check my upgrade status, and the message says I'm not eligible for a full upgrade now, but "may qualify on 11/25/2011". That isn't any sort of upgrade anniversary for me - at least, I don't think it is - so that's an interesting date.

Mine says "As a valued customer, we can offer you an upgrade with a new 2-yr commitment and an $18 upgrade fee". I bought my iPhone 4 the day it came out. I'm on a family plan.

Re: Apple Event for iPhone 5 announcement on October 4th

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post #21

By most accounts the iPhone 5 will not have LTE. That's going to sting with Verizon customers in the United States. While it will probably support HSPA+ on AT&T which is already decently fast, Verizon CDMA is direly slow. It will be a hard sell to get Verizon customers to pass up LTE for the next two years when there are already a few really good Android phones with LTE and most major cities have LTE coverage right n…

I have a Verizon Thunderbolt, and the battery life absolutely sucks compared to the iPhone 4. AnandTech did a great comparison [1]. The other 3 phones on their LTE lineup are all huge too, with equally bad battery life (maybe with the exception of the new Droid Bionic, which some reviews say has OK battery life but still nowhere near the iPhone 4).

The other dimension besides battery life is size, and all their LTE phones are pretty big size-wise. My Thunderbolt is huge compared to my old Nexus One or my wife's iPhone 4. I don't know if the bigger screen is now what Android manufacturers feel the market wants, but the thing is fairly thick too, and I imagine that's due to having to pack in all the LTE guts.

I think the iPhone, even with 3G, can still hold its own given both the major size and battery life advantages it has.

[1] http://www.anandtech.com/show/4240/htc-thunderbolt-review-fi...

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