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Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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Lutris, PlayOnLinux, Proton, etc. are all really cool. But, if you value your time and security, just keep a dedicated Windows system for gaming. I keep all the things I actually care about or don't want stolen on my Linux system with full drive encryption and I keep a gaming PC that has absolutely nothing I care about on it. The Windows system is never allowed to access my email, credit cards, or anything I care abo…

You don't need Windows for security. If you want isolation, run another Linux separate from your main one and use Wine there all the same. Windows and security is a poor combination to begin with.

This is the approach I use. Aside from my main account, I have a separate account Steam, a separate account for Wine applications and another account for miscellaneous applications. I have an iptables rule that I use to selectively disable network traffic from applications I don't want/expect to communicate with the outside world and disable cron and atd to reduce the avenues for persistent applications.

Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

#32

Lutris, PlayOnLinux, Proton, etc. are all really cool. But, if you value your time and security, just keep a dedicated Windows system for gaming. I keep all the things I actually care about or don't want stolen on my Linux system with full drive encryption and I keep a gaming PC that has absolutely nothing I care about on it. The Windows system is never allowed to access my email, credit cards, or anything I care abo…

Or better yet just buy a game console and don’t worry about any headaches :)

Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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post #29

Lutris, PlayOnLinux, Proton, etc. are all really cool. But, if you value your time and security, just keep a dedicated Windows system for gaming. I keep all the things I actually care about or don't want stolen on my Linux system with full drive encryption and I keep a gaming PC that has absolutely nothing I care about on it. The Windows system is never allowed to access my email, credit cards, or anything I care abo…

A separate Linux user would go a long way. You'd have to be very unlucky to get hit by a RCE in a game that's simultaneously targeted at Proton users.

With PC gaming it's more of an issue of having to install all sorts of various software, including game mods, or the ever popular "hey try out my game" scams through discord. A popular one is distributing malicious unity assets. We don't realize that most of this stuff has little to no security, simply put just nobody exploits it. Dark souls series all had an online RCE and the game servers have been down for a while. I do not trust any of that near my dev environment. I've found a great separation is a PC with dual boot and a laptop with only Linux.

Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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Lutris, PlayOnLinux, Proton, etc. are all really cool. But, if you value your time and security, just keep a dedicated Windows system for gaming. I keep all the things I actually care about or don't want stolen on my Linux system with full drive encryption and I keep a gaming PC that has absolutely nothing I care about on it. The Windows system is never allowed to access my email, credit cards, or anything I care abo…

> if you value your time and security, just keep a dedicated Windows system for gaming

Not everyone has the space and money for this. In fact most people don't and when you buy a powerful PC for games you most likely also want to use it for your other PC tasks too - especially if you are a developer. Even if one has both the space and money, they may just not want to "task switch" between different machines (e.g. i do have a bunch of computers in my place but 99% of the time i use just one). Also switching between games and work in a different virtual desktop or whatever is way faster and more convenient than even rolling your chair to some other desk to another PC.

> I keep all the things I actually care about or don't want stolen on my Linux system with full drive encryption and I keep a gaming PC that has absolutely nothing I care about on it. The Windows system is never allowed to access my email, credit cards, or anything I care about in any way.

Neat, but the same applies if you are running games under Wine since everything is running under Linux and not Windows. You do not even need to have Windows installed. If you are too paranoid to even touch an EXE because it might access other stuff in your home directory you can run the games under a different user with access only to that user's files.

> worry about the insane level of insecurity and bugs from the gaming sphere. The amount of RCE in gaming is pretty bad.And, you know, sometimes your friends message you and want to play a game that is new and from a developer nobody can really trust.

If you do not trust a developer it is much easier and safer to not download and run the game. If there is any issue with the game, it'll be quickly figured out. It is not any different than a game targeting Linux or really any other piece of software.

> Combine that with the fact that the first thing almost every game does is phone home to try and download new executable content and IMO you would be irresponsible to keep your important documents/credentials on a system that is also used for gaming.

This is what pretty much EVERY software - game related or not - for pretty much EVERY OS that has some form of automatic updates does! Singling out Windows games is a bit of a double standard when your browser could be updated right tomorrow with a brand new bug that enables sites to access your SSH keys (AFAIK this has actually happened with Firefox on Linux).

If anything, at least if you are playing singleplayer games, it is much easier to keep games to a known well working version when you stick with DRM-free games like those you can buy from GOG, Zoom Platform, GamersGate (not all are DRM-free there but there is a filter), Humble Bundle (similar case, not all are DRM-free), etc instead of Steam.

Though even if you stick with Steam, i doubt Valve (or any other game store) wants to distribute actual malware from their service and things will either be fixed or removed.

Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

#37

Lutris, PlayOnLinux, Proton, etc. are all really cool. But, if you value your time and security, just keep a dedicated Windows system for gaming. I keep all the things I actually care about or don't want stolen on my Linux system with full drive encryption and I keep a gaming PC that has absolutely nothing I care about on it. The Windows system is never allowed to access my email, credit cards, or anything I care abo…

Or better yet just buy a game console and don’t worry about any headaches :)

The problem with consoles is that your games library is basically hostage to the platform and the excessive DRM they have. With PC games you can play the games on any PC, current or future and especially if you stick with DRM-free games you can play the games years or even decades after they were out.

If you only care about playing a game now and then without caring what might happen in 4-5 years consoles might be ok, but i think that everyone eventually will find a game they'd like to be able to re/play 10+ years later on their current hardware and consoles make that hard.

Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure but a console will never replace the joy of PC gaming

Sure but a dedicated Windows machine will never replace the joy of gaming on a FOSS OS. (;

I fully agree! However I do keep a Windows partition for some titles.

Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

#39

Lutris, PlayOnLinux, Proton, etc. are all really cool. But, if you value your time and security, just keep a dedicated Windows system for gaming. I keep all the things I actually care about or don't want stolen on my Linux system with full drive encryption and I keep a gaming PC that has absolutely nothing I care about on it. The Windows system is never allowed to access my email, credit cards, or anything I care abo…

>Combine that with the fact that the first thing almost every game does is phone home to try and download new executable content

Chrome did it before it became mainstream.

Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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Lutris, PlayOnLinux, Proton, etc. are all really cool. But, if you value your time and security, just keep a dedicated Windows system for gaming. I keep all the things I actually care about or don't want stolen on my Linux system with full drive encryption and I keep a gaming PC that has absolutely nothing I care about on it. The Windows system is never allowed to access my email, credit cards, or anything I care abo…

It would be enough to just have a separate account for gaming if the games I am interested in did not require admin privileges.
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