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Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by kwhitefoot »

friedman23 wrote: post #19
version_five wrote: post #2

"A review cannot be requested for this restriction" ML enforcing rules is bad enough, but not allowing false positives to be corrected is ridiculous. This is why I would never consider g-suite for any business application. Otoh, I think there is a legitimate business to be made helping small businesses and individuals secure themselves against arbitrary behavior from big tech. This kind of thing can have serious cons…

"The trial" by Kafka needs to be required reading for everyone involved in implementing systems like this.

And RMS' Right to Read: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.en.html

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by version_five »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #16
jrockway wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How long until cloud providers are forced to scan block devices, so you can't even self-host a file erroneously flagged by the ML? (Actually, how long until this is integrated with the "security engine" in CPUs, so you can't even hide with encryption? Everyone is talking about on-device voice-recognition and CSAM recognition, but no doubt the copyright lobby is going to push hard for this as well.)

It hurts me to even think about this. We're headed towards such a bleak future. The only solution I can think of is to kill copyright in order to save computing freedom. Otherwise our computers will eventually no longer be ours.

I think there needs to be more work on open source hardware (and the associated fab capabilities to make what people want) in order to preserve computing freedom. I have no idea how to actually do this, but it feels like it should be prioritized

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by miohtama »

capableweb wrote: post #23
friedman23 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The trial" by Kafka needs to be required reading for everyone involved in implementing systems like this.

Most likely the people actually implementing this system did raise potential issues to their supervisors. It's not the implementer that needs more education, it is the people who drive the implementer that needs better education in how to design systems. But since it probably doesn't affect the bottom-line, it's unlikely to actually happen.

There probably was risk discussion involved in some point of feature implementation. Lawyers got involved and the discussion likely went like this

1) DMCA Safe Harbor gives us, Google, unlimited protection

2) What are the users going to do any case? Sue us? Migrate to Microsoft Office 365? The minuscule amount of issues caused on 0.1% users is not going to hit our bottom line and the users cannot damage us.

3) We offer key account manager services for organizations large enough that could cause stir (Spotify size)

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by karsinkk »

version_five wrote: post #2

"A review cannot be requested for this restriction" ML enforcing rules is bad enough, but not allowing false positives to be corrected is ridiculous. This is why I would never consider g-suite for any business application. Otoh, I think there is a legitimate business to be made helping small businesses and individuals secure themselves against arbitrary behavior from big tech. This kind of thing can have serious cons…

I've noticed the same behavior with the recommendation engine from Reddit and Instagram as well. While they don't totally block providing feedback on recommended posts that I'm actually not interested in, the UI flow to submit the feedback is difficult/confusing enough that I've just stopped doing it altogether. Could this be because retraining whatever model that they've built is difficult/expensive with new feedback?

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by can16358p »

tyingq wrote: post #15

I'm curious if it was related to the file name. I created a few 1-byte files with just "1" in them, with different names, including "output04.txt". No problems so far. Also uploaded variations with "\n" and "\r\n" after the "1". And enabled sharing to anyone with the link. No issues so far. Google drive does support metadata like a description and comments. I wonder if someone posted some copyrighted text in a commen…

Does it flag comments for copyright infringement?

What if I comment on some file with some copyrighted content in the text, just implying something about that IP, with the copyrighted text in my comment? How can this be infringement?

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by newhotelowner »

I am a small business owners. I pay for google one so that all my files are backed up and sync across devices. I also pay for backblaze to backup all my files (Just in the case google screws me).

Is there an alternative for encrypted backup & sync between different computers?

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by wlesieutre »

smnrchrds wrote: post #17
gvb wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

0 = 1 - 1 so they have everything already!

Only if they have patented -

Not - as an abstract concept, but perhaps "a method and apparatus for subtracting numbers"

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by tyingq »

TT-392 wrote: post #28

"Thanks for helping google keep the web safe" Interesting thing to add in there, how on earth does copyright stuff have anything to do with safety?

Not that I agree with it, but here's the FBI view:

"Not only can the violation of intellectual property rights damage the economy, it also poses serious health and safety risks to consumers, and often times, it fuels global organized crime."

https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/white-collar-crime/piracy-ip...

No helpful detail on why it's not safe.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by tyingq »

can16358p wrote: post #35
tyingq wrote: post #15

I'm curious if it was related to the file name. I created a few 1-byte files with just "1" in them, with different names, including "output04.txt". No problems so far. Also uploaded variations with "\n" and "\r\n" after the "1". And enabled sharing to anyone with the link. No issues so far. Google drive does support metadata like a description and comments. I wonder if someone posted some copyrighted text in a commen…

Does it flag comments for copyright infringement? What if I comment on some file with some copyrighted content in the text, just implying something about that IP, with the copyrighted text in my comment? How can this be infringement?

No idea. I was just trying to guess at why it might flag a single byte file as a copyright infringement.
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