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SkyLifter is an eVTOL air crane

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Re: SkyLifter is an eVTOL air crane

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I'm calling bullshit on this. Slick marketing driven website, low resolution photos of actual prototypes, hand-wavy FAQ and no other technical details. They claim speeds of 40 knots but does that mean that can stay stationary in 40 knot winds (the same as traveling at 40 knots) or that it can hitch a ride on high winds? The wind forces on the balloon look they would be far too high for those tiny fans to counteract e…

Yeah 250 tonnes is a lot.

Not sure if there is an alternative to helium or hydrogen, like maybe a void container, but it would still be heavy.

I guess they will suffer from bad press if they can't prove this can work. Easy to lie to investors but unless they have a prototype, I'm still very skeptical.

Re: SkyLifter is an eVTOL air crane

#32

I'm calling bullshit on this. Slick marketing driven website, low resolution photos of actual prototypes, hand-wavy FAQ and no other technical details. They claim speeds of 40 knots but does that mean that can stay stationary in 40 knot winds (the same as traveling at 40 knots) or that it can hitch a ride on high winds? The wind forces on the balloon look they would be far too high for those tiny fans to counteract e…

Yes. Also, I was unable to find any information about the gas itself. The word "helium" isn't found on the website, they only mention "LTA"... Using helium could probably not be called green or sustainable, as it's not a renewable resource on earth, AFAIK.

Re: SkyLifter is an eVTOL air crane

#33
post #26

I don't get why none of these companies try to get ultrarich people to finance their development by selling "air yachts". Basically strap a luxury RV with big windows to the bottom of one of these airships. Imagine the splash you could make at your friends yacht meeting when you float in from above. Watch emperor penguins migrate or elephants in the Okavango delta from the comfort of a couch. What am I missing, why i…

Because it doesn’t work. You’d need a foot ball field of area, and a 3 story building, to life a small yacht like space.

The wind forces on the surface would be extreme, and you’d need a lot of power to even stay somewhere stationary instead of flying away. All of this would add weight, increasing the volume of helium needed, increasing the wind exposed surface area, making the problem worse.

You’d need a huge industrial hall to store it safely on the ground, and you can’t tie it with a rope anywhere.

The helium required to fill the balloon would make the operating costs of this thing absurd, cause it’s a lot of helium, that leaks all the time and have to be replenished, and helium is super expensive (and necessary for pricy things like cooling superconducting magnets applications, which have infinite budget).

Any 3rd year University student with basic knowledge of fluid mechanics, thermodynamics, and mechanic, can draft in a napkin why we already know that this can’t work.

I’ve sat in meetings where the VCs contracted me and others to do DD on these types of companies, where every contractor told them that this can’t physically work, and the VCs with too much money take that knowledge and translate it to “very high risk investment”. These companies got 100 million dollars and burnt through them, without nothing to show, but for the VC was more important to not have that money parked somewhere and be able to tell investors that they have “mobility companies” in their portfolio, which I think is borderline misleading / scamming because everyone knew that these companies “concepts” couldn’t physically move a thing, cause that was a physical impossibility with the tech that they wanted to use.

Re: SkyLifter is an eVTOL air crane

#34

I'm calling bullshit on this. Slick marketing driven website, low resolution photos of actual prototypes, hand-wavy FAQ and no other technical details. They claim speeds of 40 knots but does that mean that can stay stationary in 40 knot winds (the same as traveling at 40 knots) or that it can hitch a ride on high winds? The wind forces on the balloon look they would be far too high for those tiny fans to counteract e…

I wonder if it would work in Venus atmosphere?

Re: SkyLifter is an eVTOL air crane

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It can just swap weight(s).

So instead of having to move your 25 ton cargo around, you now have to move your 25 ton ballast to be swapped for the cargo at the drop off point so the SkyLifter doesn't yeet itself into stratosphere. The FAQ and literally everything else about this project is vague, disappointing and a little fishy.

Cranes also use counterweights.

Re: SkyLifter is an eVTOL air crane

#36

I'm calling bullshit on this. Slick marketing driven website, low resolution photos of actual prototypes, hand-wavy FAQ and no other technical details. They claim speeds of 40 knots but does that mean that can stay stationary in 40 knot winds (the same as traveling at 40 knots) or that it can hitch a ride on high winds? The wind forces on the balloon look they would be far too high for those tiny fans to counteract e…

Indeed, the Hindenburg could lift over 200tons however it’s useful lift (lifting capacity minus its own weight and structural limitations) was only about 10 tons…

Even if we ignore the lifting gas requirements just the structural requirements to be able to tie 250tons to the lifting body make this pretty much impossible.

This makes solar roadways and the air condenser solar water bottles seem viable.

For comparison the Airlander and P-791 only lift about 10-20 tons…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_P-791

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_Air_Vehicles_Airlande...

Re: SkyLifter is an eVTOL air crane

#38

I am trying to avoid being negative here but lifting 250 tonnes in remote / difficult areas is a serious challenge. The lift is not so much the problem (although that's a big balloon) - fighting wind sheer will require stupendous amounts of power. Especially as wind is pressing not just at that cargo but at the balloon itself. And anywhere that's remote / inaccessible almost always comes with lots of wind. Hmm, actua…

>> that is 100mx100mx25m That’s huge! I wondered how big was the hindenberg, wiki claims 245m long and 41m wide, and 41m tall (excl. cabin). Only 200k litres of gas capacity. 232k tonnes lift.

So that's 411k m3 with only half that as gas capacity ! Interesting.

But back-of-the-envelope lighter than air is just hard. It's certainly possible to see this working in niche areas, but boy, it's a tough sell compared to "get a giant Sikorsky"

Re: SkyLifter is an eVTOL air crane

#39
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> that is 100mx100mx25m That’s huge! I wondered how big was the hindenberg, wiki claims 245m long and 41m wide, and 41m tall (excl. cabin). Only 200k litres of gas capacity. 232k tonnes lift.

So it is huge, but well within historic capabilities - and materials science has come a long way since then. I'm quietly hopeful for this.

I think the difficulty is not that its a huge airship, its the precision required to use it as a crane.

Re: SkyLifter is an eVTOL air crane

#40
post #26

I don't get why none of these companies try to get ultrarich people to finance their development by selling "air yachts". Basically strap a luxury RV with big windows to the bottom of one of these airships. Imagine the splash you could make at your friends yacht meeting when you float in from above. Watch emperor penguins migrate or elephants in the Okavango delta from the comfort of a couch. What am I missing, why i…

Because it doesn’t work. You’d need a foot ball field of area, and a 3 story building, to life a small yacht like space. The wind forces on the surface would be extreme, and you’d need a lot of power to even stay somewhere stationary instead of flying away. All of this would add weight, increasing the volume of helium needed, increasing the wind exposed surface area, making the problem worse. You’d need a huge indust…

I'm not sure I understand your point, are you saying that airships don't work? Because the Hindenburg was able to take 100+ people across the Atlantic (86 years ago!), that's much more than the maybe 10-person "luxury RV" that the OP was suggesting. Today's Zeppelin NT semi-rigid airships are reasonably small and can carry 10+ passengers on shorter flights.

Yes, airships are expensive, inconvenient and slow, they leak helium and they require huge hangars and mooring masts, but that's far cry from "can't work".

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