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Israel police uses NSO’s Pegasus to spy on citizens

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Re: Israel police uses NSO’s Pegasus to spy on citizens

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Post by samstave »

encryptluks2 wrote: post #3

This should surprise no one since the spyware was developed by Israeli intelligence agencies.

If we learned nothing from STUXNET/DUQU.... Israel has literally the most advanced capabilities in this area that we are aware of...

I mean - do you recall, as a part of the Snowden leaks, there was a small amount of information that came out that there was some channel/mechanism by which israel was effectively given a firehose of data from the collective five-eyes...

I don't quite recall the details, but it was a revelation because via that firehose they were getting more data than was thought to be 'allowed'/previously known...

Re: Israel police uses NSO’s Pegasus to spy on citizens

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Post by terr-dav »

mateo1 wrote: post #21
Barrin92 wrote: post #17

People used to quip that Prussia is an army with a country rather than the other way around, it seems like if you add the modern intelligence sector that describes Israel. With all the concerns about 'Military-civil fusion ' as it's called in China or Russia I always found it funny that Israel might as well be the country that has merged both spheres most successfully but nobody really seems to care at all.

A lot of people voice their concerns, including a lot of Israelis, but what can you do? Israel is a democracy and the majority votes for far right militaristic candidates and parties. Whether or not you hear about these concerns in public discourse in your country's media depends on your current foreign policy.

It's a democracy of the first-class citizens only. Don't forget it's an apartheid state!

Re: Israel police uses NSO’s Pegasus to spy on citizens

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Post by p1necone »

saiya-jin wrote: post #24
mateo1 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of people voice their concerns, including a lot of Israelis, but what can you do? Israel is a democracy and the majority votes for far right militaristic candidates and parties. Whether or not you hear about these concerns in public discourse in your country's media depends on your current foreign policy.

Its a bit easier for Israel - if you are an outsider (99.9% of mankind) and dare criticize it anyhow, you are quickly marked either a) antisemitic or b) supporting islamic terrorism, or some mix of those. Nobody wants to touch that with 10 foot pole in woke era.

Don't blame this on "wokeness", being pro Israel at least in the USA is a right wing thing, at least from my perspective as an outsider.

Re: Israel police uses NSO’s Pegasus to spy on citizens

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Post by voz_ »

terr-dav wrote: post #32
mateo1 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of people voice their concerns, including a lot of Israelis, but what can you do? Israel is a democracy and the majority votes for far right militaristic candidates and parties. Whether or not you hear about these concerns in public discourse in your country's media depends on your current foreign policy.

It's a democracy of the first-class citizens only. Don't forget it's an apartheid state!

This is not grounded in reality. Arab citizens can vote and participate, and there are Arab parties in Israeli government. If you want to see an apartheid, go look at any other country in the middle east. Let's see how Jewish representation looks there...?

Re: Israel police uses NSO’s Pegasus to spy on citizens

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Post by rowathay »

p1necone wrote: post #33
saiya-jin wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its a bit easier for Israel - if you are an outsider (99.9% of mankind) and dare criticize it anyhow, you are quickly marked either a) antisemitic or b) supporting islamic terrorism, or some mix of those. Nobody wants to touch that with 10 foot pole in woke era.

Don't blame this on "wokeness", being pro Israel at least in the USA is a right wing thing, at least from my perspective as an outsider.

US citizen here, and you are correct. The farther left you go, the more anti-Israeli and anti-Semitic sentiment you’ll find.

Re: Israel police uses NSO’s Pegasus to spy on citizens

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Post by woodruffw »

rowathay wrote: post #35
p1necone wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't blame this on "wokeness", being pro Israel at least in the USA is a right wing thing, at least from my perspective as an outsider.

US citizen here, and you are correct. The farther left you go, the more anti-Israeli and anti-Semitic sentiment you’ll find.

Please do not conflate opposition to the Israeli state with anti-Jewishness. There are millions of diaspora Jews living in the US who do not accept that conflation and are not fans of Israel.

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Post by yonixw »

terr-dav wrote: post #32
mateo1 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of people voice their concerns, including a lot of Israelis, but what can you do? Israel is a democracy and the majority votes for far right militaristic candidates and parties. Whether or not you hear about these concerns in public discourse in your country's media depends on your current foreign policy.

It's a democracy of the first-class citizens only. Don't forget it's an apartheid state!

Yep, like that disgusting incident on 2005 where they gave up their land... and their control... they are the worst. Who else is at fault to what happened in Gaza? The apartheid of curse. Disgusting!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaz...

Re: Israel police uses NSO’s Pegasus to spy on citizens

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Post by alphakilo »

terr-dav wrote: post #32
mateo1 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of people voice their concerns, including a lot of Israelis, but what can you do? Israel is a democracy and the majority votes for far right militaristic candidates and parties. Whether or not you hear about these concerns in public discourse in your country's media depends on your current foreign policy.

It's a democracy of the first-class citizens only. Don't forget it's an apartheid state!

All Israelis have equal rights, why do you say Israel an apartheid state?

Re: Israel police uses NSO’s Pegasus to spy on citizens

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Post by suifbwish »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #4
encryptluks2 wrote: post #3

This should surprise no one since the spyware was developed by Israeli intelligence agencies.

So it would be like domestic law enforcement (the FBI? state patrol?) using NSA-developed spyware, secretly, without court orders, against US citizens, including protestors. Whether this should surprise you I guess depends on your worldview; whether it should alarm or disturb you, especially if you are an Israeli or in Israel, I guess depends on your view of individual rights and the police.

Faraday pockets

Re: Israel police uses NSO’s Pegasus to spy on citizens

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Post by maratc »

saiya-jin wrote: post #24
mateo1 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of people voice their concerns, including a lot of Israelis, but what can you do? Israel is a democracy and the majority votes for far right militaristic candidates and parties. Whether or not you hear about these concerns in public discourse in your country's media depends on your current foreign policy.

Its a bit easier for Israel - if you are an outsider (99.9% of mankind) and dare criticize it anyhow, you are quickly marked either a) antisemitic or b) supporting islamic terrorism, or some mix of those. Nobody wants to touch that with 10 foot pole in woke era.

> dare criticize it anyhow, you are quickly marked either a) antisemitic

I don't think this is a good representation of anti-anti-Israel debate.

The opposite of antisemitism is equality, where there is no "special" treatment of either Jews or Israel. Anyone can criticize Israel for its policies, provided they also criticize other states that have similar policies and not "single out" Israel as such. If only Israel is criticized for certain policies and other states aren't, this brings up the question of inequality. This may be perceived a sort of thinly-veiled antisemitism.

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