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Air Battery Would Last 2.5s on Machine with 1990's Efficiency

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Re: Air Battery Would Last 2.5s on Machine with 1990's Efficiency

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It's easy to forget that 1Gbit/second an insane amount of text / numberic data and 1990 was a LONG time ago. Just concider that the extimated monthly transfter acroos internet backbones in December 1990 was 1TB. That 1GBit lan cable was 100's of times faster than all of the internet backbones in 1990. So while, Mainframe software is vary efficent the hardware still sucked compared to modern systems. Just think a 1GBi…

An interesting aspect is how much more slowely memory sizes have caught up. Today's laptops can crush a 90s supercomputer in GFlops, but are just now catching up to a mid-1990s Cray in main memory (4GB). I remember being fairly befuddled when I started college in 2000, and my CS dept's UltraSPARC servers were slower than my Pentium III in CPU, but had memory measured in a unit that I had only heard of being used for…

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Re: Air Battery Would Last 2.5s on Machine with 1990's Efficiency

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A counterpoint: the Air still does not match the battery life of a TRS-80 Model 100 from 1983: 20 hours on 4 AA batteries. A Model 100 was pretty much the opposite of the iPad: great for creative activities (writing, taking notes, programming) but poor for consumption activities.

Writing is important – but not everything.

Re: Air Battery Would Last 2.5s on Machine with 1990's Efficiency

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Um, I doubt this, very very much. The Air has a 50 W/h battery. That's 50W for a full hour. So if they are saying that it would last 2.5 seconds, that means the putative 1990s computer would have to consume 60 x 24 x 50 = 72,000 Watts! Someone at the Atlantic needs to figure out basic math.

I read it to mean they were factoring in the computing power as well. i.e. they estimated that it would take 72,000 Watts-worth of 1990s computers to match the processing power of a Macbook Air. Though that does add further caveats to an already less-than-ideal comparison (as an MBA is not going to last seven hours at 100% CPU load).

What is missing is how many 603ev chips would be needed to approximate the Sandy Bridge Core i5's performance. And of course, how many feet thick that would make the 2.5-second-battery 1997 MacBook Air.

Re: Air Battery Would Last 2.5s on Machine with 1990's Efficiency

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An interesting aspect is how much more slowely memory sizes have caught up. Today's laptops can crush a 90s supercomputer in GFlops, but are just now catching up to a mid-1990s Cray in main memory (4GB). I remember being fairly befuddled when I started college in 2000, and my CS dept's UltraSPARC servers were slower than my Pentium III in CPU, but had memory measured in a unit that I had only heard of being used for…

A fair comparison though would have to be a modern Cray-class supercomputery thing to that Cray though. That's going to have more than 4GB of RAM; modern Cray equivalents open the bid at petabytes of RAM.

Oh, I agree modern supercomputers beat 1995-era ones on all axes; it's mostly the different rates at which consumer-class computers catch up that are interesting. A modern MacBook Pro wipes the floor, CPU-wise, with a 1995 Cray, but only just matches it RAM-wise. So comparisons like "today's [consumer thing] is as good as [year's] [enterprise thing]" depend heavily on whether you're comparing them on CPU or RAM.

Re: Air Battery Would Last 2.5s on Machine with 1990's Efficiency

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I read it to mean they were factoring in the computing power as well. i.e. they estimated that it would take 72,000 Watts-worth of 1990s computers to match the processing power of a Macbook Air. Though that does add further caveats to an already less-than-ideal comparison (as an MBA is not going to last seven hours at 100% CPU load).

Sounds like they ought to mention how long that is in football fields.

Or in Libraries of Congress.

Re: Air Battery Would Last 2.5s on Machine with 1990's Efficiency

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A counterpoint: the Air still does not match the battery life of a TRS-80 Model 100 from 1983: 20 hours on 4 AA batteries. A Model 100 was pretty much the opposite of the iPad: great for creative activities (writing, taking notes, programming) but poor for consumption activities.

Writing is important – but not everything.

exactly. I've posted this before, but: "if a person can't produce something on an ipad that's a reflection of the user, not the device."

Re: Air Battery Would Last 2.5s on Machine with 1990's Efficiency

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Um, I doubt this, very very much. The Air has a 50 W/h battery. That's 50W for a full hour. So if they are saying that it would last 2.5 seconds, that means the putative 1990s computer would have to consume 60 x 24 x 50 = 72,000 Watts! Someone at the Atlantic needs to figure out basic math.

I'm being pedantic here -- units are Serious Business -- but "W/h" is "Watts per hour". You want "Watt hours", which you could write "W-h".

Re: Air Battery Would Last 2.5s on Machine with 1990's Efficiency

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Sounds like they ought to mention how long that is in football fields.

If you placed all the iPhones in the world end to end on a line, some of them would be in the ocean. There, I wrote about iPhones. Now give me my ad revenue.

How many iPhones in the world? If I guessed about 100 million that would be about 8000 miles, which wouldn't necessarily be in the ocean if you started the line in Europe and cut across Russia/Eurasia.

Re: Air Battery Would Last 2.5s on Machine with 1990's Efficiency

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Writing is important – but not everything.

exactly. I've posted this before, but: "if a person can't produce something on an ipad that's a reflection of the user, not the device."

Can I produce a program for iPads on an iPad?

Re: Air Battery Would Last 2.5s on Machine with 1990's Efficiency

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

An interesting aspect is how much more slowely memory sizes have caught up. Today's laptops can crush a 90s supercomputer in GFlops, but are just now catching up to a mid-1990s Cray in main memory (4GB). I remember being fairly befuddled when I started college in 2000, and my CS dept's UltraSPARC servers were slower than my Pentium III in CPU, but had memory measured in a unit that I had only heard of being used for…

A fair comparison though would have to be a modern Cray-class supercomputery thing to that Cray though. That's going to have more than 4GB of RAM; modern Cray equivalents open the bid at petabytes of RAM.

There are few, if any, current systems with petabytes of RAM; the very largest have tens to hundreds of terabytes.
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