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UK government plans publicity blitz against encrypted communications

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Re: UK government plans publicity blitz against encrypted communications

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Those stunts sound super creepy and messed up. Weird, manipulative campaign. This shouldn't really be legal surely in democracies to have campaigns that "appear to be the result of grassroots campaigns and children's charities, while downplaying any Government involvement", when it's a political manipulation campaign paid for, coordinated and organised by the Government themselves. I really hope the counter-campaign…

I mean, the present UK government also broke a whole bunch of other laws, so, why would they care if it's illegal?

The current British Prime Minister was literally fired from a previous job as a journalist because he can't stop telling lies. It's worth making a distinction from Trump here. Trump wasn't a liar, Trump was a bullshitter. A Liar knows what the truth is, and is trying to convince you of a falsehood, bullshitters have no idea what is true or false, they don't care. In some ways this makes Boris worse - he's deliberately trying to mislead you, which is harder to evade, is his claim that he enjoys making model buses a lie? Probably, but why is he lying about that? There were various theories. With Trump what he's saying has no connection to anything, so, it offers no clues as to the facts but at least you know that.

But like Trump, Boris is very popular with people who don't know much of anything. For them, the results of their support for Boris (everything got worse) are disheartening, but they're unable to join the dots. Who knows why this has happened, it surely can't be Boris' fault, wouldn't he tell us?

Re: UK government plans publicity blitz against encrypted communications

#32

This is just exasperating. Pro privacy? You’re responsible for child abuse. Every time you think the current British government can’t sink any lower…

Seems to me its the people in the government who are widely responsible for child abuse. Just ask Prince Andrew.

What does Prince Andrew have to do with the government?

Re: UK government plans publicity blitz against encrypted communications

#34

Those stunts sound super creepy and messed up. Weird, manipulative campaign. This shouldn't really be legal surely in democracies to have campaigns that "appear to be the result of grassroots campaigns and children's charities, while downplaying any Government involvement", when it's a political manipulation campaign paid for, coordinated and organised by the Government themselves. I really hope the counter-campaign…

Sadly, this isn’t the first case of the U.K. government going for something this super creepy. I’ve personally seen London’s “Secure Beneath the Watchful Eyes” posters, which are felt like a parody by its own opponents to discredit it: https://mindhacks.com/2007/01/09/secure-beneath-the-watchful...

Re: UK government plans publicity blitz against encrypted communications

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Legislation won’t reduce the use of encryption by criminals and terrorists Hmm, I used to think this, but now? Now I think most people are bad at tech and security. No reason to expect the average criminal would be better. Of course, trivial for us to make it, or hide it in something that looks unrelated. And I expect serious organised crime to be able to afford a developer with no morals. But normal crime? It prob…

You are quite right, normal and “pretty” criminals will just use whatever and not care about encryption. Not only because they won’t necessarily be educated about it, but it will have no impact on their ability to operate. The police and intelligences agencies aren’t intercepting the communications of normal and petty criminals. It’s organised crime and terrorism that matters, they will obviously continue to use it a…

> The police and intelligences agencies aren’t intercepting the communications of normal and petty criminals.

Snowden showed otherwise - they're spying on everyone's conversations, criminal or not.

Re: UK government plans publicity blitz against encrypted communications

#36

This is just exasperating. Pro privacy? You’re responsible for child abuse. Every time you think the current British government can’t sink any lower…

That’s the same gimmick the US government uses, associating encryption with the boogeyman of the day, usually terrorism, child abuse, or Nazis. However it might also include migrants, drug dealers, unwed teenage mothers, welfare recipients, a laundry list of non-caucasians, and the Irish (I like to add that one in just to highlight the absurdity but the US really toned down the anti-Irish stuff in the 40s).

Re: UK government plans publicity blitz against encrypted communications

#37
The campaign as described sounds like what would be classified as hate speech against any other identifiable group, and yet so long as governments and their appendant "agencies" approve of creating new identifiable groups to target with otherwise proscribed speech, it's somehow acceptable?

This is Hutu vs. Tutsi meets Gobbels level propaganda, and I'm sure it must be very fun to be so righteous, we know how it ends. While mainstream society and discourses are not allowed to reason about the applicability or justness of violence, these official parties appear free to incite and direct it, and notably, to selectively enforce the provisions against it so that it's directed at the right people.

These are dishonest parties working in bad faith using special protection, what are the alternatives? I'm afraid the only thing they will understand is cost.

Re: UK government plans publicity blitz against encrypted communications

#38
post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are quite right, normal and “pretty” criminals will just use whatever and not care about encryption. Not only because they won’t necessarily be educated about it, but it will have no impact on their ability to operate. The police and intelligences agencies aren’t intercepting the communications of normal and petty criminals. It’s organised crime and terrorism that matters, they will obviously continue to use it a…

> The police and intelligences agencies aren’t intercepting the communications of normal and petty criminals. Snowden showed otherwise - they're spying on everyone's conversations, criminal or not.

If they did have that capability do you think they would use it to take down and prosecute a small time drug dealer exposing what they are doing? Even exposing this capability to the Police by give them “secret” intelligence would inevitably result in the knowledge of their capabilities leaking.

If they do have this capability it is only every going to be used for large scale organised crime, terrorism and state security.

Re: UK government plans publicity blitz against encrypted communications

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems to me its the people in the government who are widely responsible for child abuse. Just ask Prince Andrew.

What does Prince Andrew have to do with the government?

The United Kingdom is a monarchy ruled by Queen Elizabeth (the mother of Andrew), even though the British people go far out of their way to pretend that's not the case. It's why Boris Johnson had to meet with the queen about forming a new government. Why is she involved at all? It's because she rules the United Kingdom in fact. Andrew's family rules Britain (for what, 1200 years? [1]), that's quite relevant to the context. The political structure of the United Kingdom goes very far out of its way to look after and protect the royal family (their rulers).

Shall we pretend that the family that has ruled Britain for 1200 years has no political power? Har har.

Every country in Europe that still regressively clings to a monarchy (and there are a lot of them) goes out of its way to pretend - because it's so comically backwards - that their monarchy is only a figurehead / ceremonial and has no real role. In fact they're all back up dictatorships waiting in the wings if there's ever enough political chaos to prompt the people to turn to that, and that happens every time historically.

[1] https://allthatsinteresting.com/lineage-british-royal-family

Re: UK government plans publicity blitz against encrypted communications

#40
> The new campaign, however, is entirely focused on the argument that improved encryption would hamper efforts to tackle child exploitation online.

I bet cars and homes without microphones and cameras spying on their residents also hampers their efforts to keep children safe - are those next on the chopping block? They're already spying on near every street corner, after all.

Funny how they never say "Technology has given us all this extra surveillance capability, you can reduce our legal powers somewhat to compensate" - it's always "People have some tiny scrap of privacy left - we must eliminate it, or terrorists and pedophiles win!"

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