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Jan 6 committee subpoenas Meta, Google, Reddit etc. after 'inadequate responses'

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Re: Jan 6 committee subpoenas Meta, Google, Reddit etc. after 'inadequate responses'

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

kerneloftruth wrote: post #23
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #17

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Yes -- I almost stopped early in the article at "the deadly attack". It was a disgusting action taken by the mob, but the nation heals more if the press acts _honestly_. Media bias (especially on that story) only divides and embitters people.

Yes... some people died, but it wasn't what the media made it to be. Two protesters died of heart attacks, one died of an overdose, and one died of being shot by a cop. One died of a stroke and was widely misreported of being hit in the head with a fire extinguisher when that didn't actually happen, and four cops later committed suicide. This is all according to FactCheck.org.

Was it great? Absolutely not - but it wasn't anything remotely close to, say, even the most minor altercations between America and Britain.

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Post by newaccount2021 »

guerrilla wrote: post #14
oxymoran wrote: post #4

Man, the democrats are really trying to hand republicans every election for the next decade.

Not that I disagree, but how does this particular thing factor into that?

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Post by BitwiseFool »

DerpyBaby123 wrote: post #13
umvi wrote: post #2

The implication from the committee is that these companies should have monitored and suppressed/censored their users harder? Is the committee looking for a scapegoat or something?

Why do you jump to that conclusion? Youtube's algo is long suspected of pushing more and more extreme/radical content, and the comittee seems to be looking for more information on if that process affected the Jan 6 riot That's not looking for a scapegoat; it's looking for a set of root causes

>"That's not looking for a scapegoat; it's looking for a set of root causes "

I wouldn't say they are looking for a scapegoat, it's just political theater and tactical expediency. Furthermore, I'd also say "root causes" is not quite right either. At the end of the day, this is a very partisan committee and I believe they understand the power in getting these big social media companies to crack down on conservative content under the guise of preventing "extreme/radical content".

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Post by oneoff786 »

gilbetron wrote: post #24
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #9

We have a First Amendment... but if you run a platform that does not even use the First Amendment, you'll get subpoenaed and harassed. In theory, I ran a platform that protected everything the First Amendment did, and protected nothing that the Amendment did not protect, I should be legally in the clear. But I'm not going to attempt such a thing - because it's clear Congress would do the ultimate shakedown.

You have the first amendment right to talk about crimes you are planning, but the government still gets to use what you said against you if you actually commit that crime.

Seditious conspiracy is a crime in itself

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Post by gowld »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #17

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> they managed to break through a few weakly-secured doors.

behind which were hundreds of members of US government, who were at that very moment performing the most critical function of government: peaceful transition of power, to prevent the chaos of civil war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peaceful_transition_of_power

> England ... breaking unexpectedly into the capital building?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812#Honour_and_the_%22...

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

DerpyBaby123 wrote: post #27
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #17

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"Nearly Died" yes, because the leadership guiding the riot wasn't particularly competent. If they had control of more institutions, it would likely have been more successful. When saying "any other show of power other than that they managed to break through a few weakly-secured doors" you downplay the fact they the rioters interrupted a session of Congress and succeeded in their purpose of delaying the certification…

Wow... so you're saying our democracy could be overthrown if you, A) disrupt Congress and B) cause a day's worth of delays.

Amazing stability of our government that.

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Post by DerpyBaby123 »

jimbob45 wrote: post #26
DerpyBaby123 wrote: post #13

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Why do you jump to that conclusion? Youtube's algo is long suspected of pushing more and more extreme/radical content, and the comittee seems to be looking for more information on if that process affected the Jan 6 riot That's not looking for a scapegoat; it's looking for a set of root causes

YouTube shows you more of what you look for. If it stops doing that, people will use a 3rd-party search tool that lawmakers will be unable to censor (e.g. Reddit, Digg, 9gag, 4chan). It's a scapegoat. If you want people to stop looking up content about distrusting the government, the solution is a more transparent government, not to stop them from watching the content.

It doesn't just do that, it pushes you more and more into specific niches. It doesn't have to do that either, but Youtube has designed it to do it, to put users into the famous Youtube Rabbit Hole.

This rabbit hole encourages extremism in some people, and that can be harmful to society. Why the defeatist attitude, that huge companies have to encourage extremism or people will stop using their products? That's non-sensical

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Post by ben_w »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #21
IgorPartola wrote: post #19

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How to misunderstand the situation 101: bring the first amendment into the discussion when that’s not what the discussion is about. Let me break this down for you: you host a weekly poker night. My buddies and I come and during these nights plan a crime. We than carry out a crime and get arrested. The investigators come to you and ask “what did those guys talk about at your poker nights?” You say “poker stuff”. They…

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I’m not a lawyer so I may be missing something here, but I would expect a bunch of pipe bombs to be evidence of rather more than a mere protest. Or is this one of those weird second amendment rights that makes no sense outside of the USA?

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Post by shrimpx »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #17

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It’s not about the foot soldiers but about senators trying to reject the vote certification. The people outside were the polarized ammunition. “Look how angry the American patriots are, that’s proof that we need to reject the certification and send it back to the states.” The investigations are following the thread trying to uncover high level sedition if any — e.g., Trump conspiring with senators and oath keepers (whose leader just got indicted) to overturn the election.
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