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UCLA Study Finds Laughter in 65 Species, from Rats to Cows

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So what does that look like in a dog? My family has a dog and she has a pretty nice life and is usually pretty happy, especially when upsidedown having a belly rub. Are her flailing legs and head and panting considered dog laughter?

My dogs growl and yip when wrestling with each other, I feel like this probably comes under the “non-aggressive vocalisation” mentioned in the article.

Growling is obviously a well known sign of fear and aggression but I guess the context is important.

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So what does that look like in a dog? My family has a dog and she has a pretty nice life and is usually pretty happy, especially when upsidedown having a belly rub. Are her flailing legs and head and panting considered dog laughter?

This is an accurate recording of dog laughter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIj4WAP6BaI

According to research[1] whispering while playing with your dog can initiate play more reliably. This is because our whisper is closer to the frequencies of their laugh. It is even more powerful than the play-bow.

[1] https://www.petalk.org/LaughingDog.pdf

Re: UCLA Study Finds Laughter in 65 Species, from Rats to Cows

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to be nitpicky but I would say there are definitely situations where laughter is not a positive (edit: or beautiful) thing – laughing at someone else's misfortune, laughing in pain, etc.

Tragedy and comedy are the basis of all theater.

“Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and die.” Mel Brooks [1]

[1] https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/21470-tragedy-is-when-i-cut...

Re: UCLA Study Finds Laughter in 65 Species, from Rats to Cows

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So what does that look like in a dog? My family has a dog and she has a pretty nice life and is usually pretty happy, especially when upsidedown having a belly rub. Are her flailing legs and head and panting considered dog laughter?

My dogs growl and yip when wrestling with each other, I feel like this probably comes under the “non-aggressive vocalisation” mentioned in the article. Growling is obviously a well known sign of fear and aggression but I guess the context is important.

When playing dogs will indeed bark, growl and whines, but also produce a forced exhalation: that's their laugh. Other sounds can be produced in other contexts indeed, whereas this dog laughter is exclusive to play.

Re: UCLA Study Finds Laughter in 65 Species, from Rats to Cows

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to be nitpicky but I would say there are definitely situations where laughter is not a positive (edit: or beautiful) thing – laughing at someone else's misfortune, laughing in pain, etc.

Tragedy and comedy are the basis of all theater.

But not all theater is meant to make you laugh?

Re: UCLA Study Finds Laughter in 65 Species, from Rats to Cows

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This is probably me not being able to “read the room” but this study both makes me very happy and very sad. I recently watched Dominion documentary [1] and the more we learn about animals cognition the more I feel the weight of their massive abuse especially in the last 150 years. (The recent story of an HNer interacting with a spider on his desk was really cool though, I don’t have a link anymore.) Without judging a…

Cultured meat will become widely available soon. I have high hopes.

This is my hope as well but I have already heard the backlash: it's pharma companies trying to control our food.

Increasingly, I feel afraid of the lunatics trying to hinder progress like some 14th century catholics. Progress to me means also an increasing awareness of the limitations of our ecosystems and that infinite growth is a myth.

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This is probably me not being able to “read the room” but this study both makes me very happy and very sad. I recently watched Dominion documentary [1] and the more we learn about animals cognition the more I feel the weight of their massive abuse especially in the last 150 years. (The recent story of an HNer interacting with a spider on his desk was really cool though, I don’t have a link anymore.) Without judging a…

I think you're reading the room perfectly well. Or at least, reading the mood of plenty of people.

We're only going to find ever-increasing numbers of animals that demonstrate various forms of cognisance. Hopefully we'll continually re-evaluate our collective actions as a globally dominant species.

Perhaps you should avoid reading about Harry Harlow's "wire mother" experiments [0]. They're abjectly depressing, and demonstrate how horrifically cruel humanity can be toward other creatures.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Harlow

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