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Deft -- easy note taking for Emacs

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Re: Deft -- easy note taking for Emacs

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If you need a bit more, that is, todo lists, planning, etc. while keeping a way to easily edit text documents, you also have Org-Mode http://orgmode.org/

Do not try to setup Org-Mode if you are new to Emacs, you will feel a bit overwhelmed (at least I was), but once you get used to Emacs and Org-Mode, it is a pleasure to use it. I use it for GTD, day planner and notes taking like here: http://notes.ceondo.com

Re: Deft -- easy note taking for Emacs

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It's when I see gems like these that I feel like spending time to learn emacs. I've tried a couple of times.. but it is so damn hard. I feel like vim keybindings are burnt in my memory/fingers.. and it makes it so unproductive to relearn something totally different. Any vim power user successfully switched to Emacs? If so, did you switch back missing Vim or you're still using emacs and couldn't be happier? (I'm still…

I used Vim for a quite a few years before switching to Emacs and I was fairly proficient at it. Although similar to Unix and Emacs it would take a lifetime or more to know everything about it. I still use Vi(m) today when logged in to a remote server or for small editing tasks, but the more advanced usage has slipped from my memory... I don't even know how to use keyboard macros anymore.

There's one big 'if' to my Vim usage which made me want to try out new editors: I never really like the modal editing paradigm.

Upon getting interested in Common Lisp I switched to Emacs because I also wanted to be able to use ILISP (Slime nowadays). Once I made some customizations and implemented some ideas which I thought would be cool for an editor to have I never looked back[1]. Modern day IDEs haven't really been able to impress me either and Emacs' customization language being a Lisp was a pro as well.

However, I have customized a lot of my keybindings. While the basic editing commands are okayish the more complex "chords" are hideous and all the additional modes add more and more complex chords. By custom there's one prefix ("C-c" IIRC) behind which the user can put his own keybindings but I just ignore that and override everything to fit my keybindings.

(Even more fun: I recently decided to change my keybindings to fit in more with the more custom keybindings found in other applications found on Unix, Windows and Mac: Ctrl-o for opening a file, Ctrl-f for search, Ctrl-r for replace, Ctrl-w for closing a window/tab/buffer, etc. etc. It's not been too bad actually and seems like a keeper.)

I've never found it hard to switch between them (apart from the occasional 'ZZ' in Emacs) just like it's never been hard to switch between QWERTY and Dvorak for me.

[1] Being able to customize and try out new things without have to recompile or even restart is very nice. (ie. the Lisp way)

Re: Deft -- easy note taking for Emacs

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post #31

If you need a bit more, that is, todo lists, planning, etc. while keeping a way to easily edit text documents, you also have Org-Mode http://orgmode.org/ Do not try to setup Org-Mode if you are new to Emacs, you will feel a bit overwhelmed (at least I was), but once you get used to Emacs and Org-Mode, it is a pleasure to use it. I use it for GTD, day planner and notes taking like here: http://notes.ceondo.com

I think the key thing about Org-mode is to not read the documentation. All you need to start is stars and the tab key. The docs have a way of dumping keybindings onto you. Org mode has a lot of features --- don't try to read the manual through. Just start using it and every time you think of a feature you would like, look it up in the manual.

Re: Deft -- easy note taking for Emacs

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post #31

If you need a bit more, that is, todo lists, planning, etc. while keeping a way to easily edit text documents, you also have Org-Mode http://orgmode.org/ Do not try to setup Org-Mode if you are new to Emacs, you will feel a bit overwhelmed (at least I was), but once you get used to Emacs and Org-Mode, it is a pleasure to use it. I use it for GTD, day planner and notes taking like here: http://notes.ceondo.com

I think the key thing about Org-mode is to not read the documentation. All you need to start is stars and the tab key. The docs have a way of dumping keybindings onto you. Org mode has a lot of features --- don't try to read the manual through. Just start using it and every time you think of a feature you would like, look it up in the manual.

This is probably good advice, and I think I'll give org-mode another try without trying to build it around someone else's setup.

I've been using emacs for years, but could never quite make an habit out of org mode. I think deft handling simple org files might be a good way to get started.

Re: Deft -- easy note taking for Emacs

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post #31

If you need a bit more, that is, todo lists, planning, etc. while keeping a way to easily edit text documents, you also have Org-Mode http://orgmode.org/ Do not try to setup Org-Mode if you are new to Emacs, you will feel a bit overwhelmed (at least I was), but once you get used to Emacs and Org-Mode, it is a pleasure to use it. I use it for GTD, day planner and notes taking like here: http://notes.ceondo.com

I think the key thing about Org-mode is to not read the documentation. All you need to start is stars and the tab key. The docs have a way of dumping keybindings onto you. Org mode has a lot of features --- don't try to read the manual through. Just start using it and every time you think of a feature you would like, look it up in the manual.

It is worth looking through the documentation to learn what it _can_ do. I've met people who say "I wish it could do x" and I reply "It can do x!"

Re: Deft -- easy note taking for Emacs

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post #31

If you need a bit more, that is, todo lists, planning, etc. while keeping a way to easily edit text documents, you also have Org-Mode http://orgmode.org/ Do not try to setup Org-Mode if you are new to Emacs, you will feel a bit overwhelmed (at least I was), but once you get used to Emacs and Org-Mode, it is a pleasure to use it. I use it for GTD, day planner and notes taking like here: http://notes.ceondo.com

wow, that's pretty impressive. how did you automate that?

Re: Deft -- easy note taking for Emacs

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the key thing about Org-mode is to not read the documentation. All you need to start is stars and the tab key. The docs have a way of dumping keybindings onto you. Org mode has a lot of features --- don't try to read the manual through. Just start using it and every time you think of a feature you would like, look it up in the manual.

This is probably good advice, and I think I'll give org-mode another try without trying to build it around someone else's setup. I've been using emacs for years, but could never quite make an habit out of org mode. I think deft handling simple org files might be a good way to get started.

I kept trying to start with a todo list in Org-mode, and it was never worth it. Instead, I ended up getting into Org-mode through using it as a markup (it supports inline LaTeX!) and only later learned some of the shortcuts. I've just started using C-RET and similar to add outline nodes, for example; similarly C-. and C-d and such. Now I use Org-mode heavily for literate programming as well.

One of the reasons I love Emacs and Org-mode so much is that it never forces you to use its features. For the right approach and for the power user, this is beautiful.

Re: Deft -- easy note taking for Emacs

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the key thing about Org-mode is to not read the documentation. All you need to start is stars and the tab key. The docs have a way of dumping keybindings onto you. Org mode has a lot of features --- don't try to read the manual through. Just start using it and every time you think of a feature you would like, look it up in the manual.

This is probably good advice, and I think I'll give org-mode another try without trying to build it around someone else's setup. I've been using emacs for years, but could never quite make an habit out of org mode. I think deft handling simple org files might be a good way to get started.

Yeah, don't follow other people's guides to get started. Just realize that org-mode has so many features (including Literate Programming) it's easy to get lost.

Just start by using it as an outliner, when your files get too big or you need to start keeping TODO lists, look into agenda views, then capture, then ... well you know.

Start as simple as possible, and when things break, or don't do what you need, spend 15 minutes and make them work.

Re: Deft -- easy note taking for Emacs

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post #30
post #11

I use https://github.com/cefstat/simplenote.el to synchronize with simplenote service and on mobile device and Notational Velocity. Deft seems little more refined, and simplenote.el has not been updated for a while, but would be nice if it synced with simplenote.

I'm the author of simplenote.el. Deft looks very interesting and I am happy that simplenote.el was of some use to Jason for writing Deft. As a sidenote, I am always pleasantly surprised when I hear that people are using simplenote.el; this was just a small personal project that I put on github on a whim. You should not expect much more to happen with simplenote.el since I don't feel very motivated to work on it anymo…

I was using simplenote.el for a bit as well, your efforts are greatly appreciated.

:-)

Re: Deft -- easy note taking for Emacs

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post #30
post #11

I use https://github.com/cefstat/simplenote.el to synchronize with simplenote service and on mobile device and Notational Velocity. Deft seems little more refined, and simplenote.el has not been updated for a while, but would be nice if it synced with simplenote.

I'm the author of simplenote.el. Deft looks very interesting and I am happy that simplenote.el was of some use to Jason for writing Deft. As a sidenote, I am always pleasantly surprised when I hear that people are using simplenote.el; this was just a small personal project that I put on github on a whim. You should not expect much more to happen with simplenote.el since I don't feel very motivated to work on it anymo…

I appreciate you creating simplenote.el. I understand disagreeing with direction platform taken, particularly if you are personally unable to take advantage of it.

As far as forking, would you consider merging in tag support into your version, if someone were to send you a patch?

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