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I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months

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Re: I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months

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I don't have dark mode enabled. What I see seems to be the default style, and is consistent across multiple browsers for me.

Very interesting. This is what I see - https://i.imgur.com/eV4yDd0.png

Huh! It's more than just colors, you have padding between paragraphs whereas I don't. I think the page must not be loading correctly? I do see these two stylesheets returning 404:

https://benadam.me/assets/prisma-dark.19c66771.css

https://benadam.me/assets/work.b7de8a03.css

Re: I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months

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The idea of leaving before the year mark at a company that does signing bonuses stresses me the fuck out. Don't you have to pay back the bonus? When I got an Amazon offer that was the case

At Amazon sign on bonuses are paid over the first 24month, so there is no need to pay back anything.

Is that a signing bonus or a agreement to get paid less in two years?

Re: I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months

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I finally started just marking their recruiter emails as spam. I still get a couple a month despite asking them to stop. I interviewed for them a few years back and it was clear then that they are looking for people that are technically smart but total pushovers. If you are the type of person that are susceptible to abusive relationships then you'd fit right in. The sad part is many of their employees prob feel lucky to be in that situation. If you know your own worth you would not work for them and if you believe in treating humans with respect and dignity you'd definitely not work for them. I got a sense of a complete lack of ethics.

Re: I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months

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"It blew my mind how many business critical processes were managed with excel spreadsheets being shared via email chains." - this also blows my mind, given how many problems there are with Excel (e.g. formatting).

This is everywhere, and there is no escape.

I do occasionally blow things in to Postgres for my own sanity, but it usually isn't worth it, and even when it is, data goes back out to other people in CSV.

As just one example, if your secops department uses Qualys (and they probably do), that forces your secops department to use it, which means everyone who has to interact with them does.

Everything about internal budgeting is a pile of spreadsheets that gets thrown around.

Hell, when I moved one of our data centers recently, that process with the new DC was all all Excel sheets, despite the fact that we have DCIMs on both ends.

There is just no escape.

Re: I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months

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"It blew my mind how many business critical processes were managed with excel spreadsheets being shared via email chains." - this also blows my mind, given how many problems there are with Excel (e.g. formatting).

Business moves at the speed of now.

This sounds like a '90s marketing meme -- do I have that right? I didn't enter the industry until after.

Re: I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months

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post #8

The idea of leaving before the year mark at a company that does signing bonuses stresses me the fuck out. Don't you have to pay back the bonus? When I got an Amazon offer that was the case

Its "sign-on payments" now - so essentially you get a salary augmentation for your first 2 years (and its applied to each paycheck) so you don't need to pay anything back when you leave.

Re: I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months

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Formatting is a very very distant minor gripe compared to what I think is the main reason this is a problem: versioning. That being said, if it works, it works. If it doesn't work, make a case for why and develop a _holistic_ understanding of the costs and benefits of changing the current process. Maybe you can change it, or maybe you learn why it doesn't change. If it works, but it offends your sensibilities, perhap…

Just a note that many folks on platforms like dropbox / S3 etc turn on versioning of excel sheets if they are in paid status for this exact reason. It's not perfect, but it get's you a lot very very easily. Version - date changed - who edited. Add in the universal flexibility (both function and who can use it). You can hand an excel file off to admin temp staff all the way to the top 3 folks in the org in one file an…

Yeah. It's like git is baked into the file.

I don't work with spreadsheets much but I completely understand why they're loved so much. They're data, code, presentation, versioning, etc. all in one file that has _very_ good support.

Excel is for the people who want to actually get stuff done and find all tooling a distraction from what actually adds value to the company.

Re: I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months

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I also left Amazon after ~10mo. I've written about this elsewhere, but the short version is:

* New manager who was a nice guy but didn't help me or other folks onboard

* A skip-level (who I expected would be my direct) manager who was about as hands-off as could be and seemed interested in building his own empire.

* SDE3 who was nominally my mentor but was less than useless. I asked him to whiteboard our services, and he said he "didn't know" what we owned. I asked him for help configuring a monitor for a service, and he said he couldn't figure it out while literally backing away from my desk slowly.

* A culture within our team in which no one was willing or able to help others out. It was very much every man for himself.

I GTFO of there and have been happy across the lake since. Paying back my signing bonus was well worth the significant reduction in stress and quality of life.

Re: I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months

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"It blew my mind how many business critical processes were managed with excel spreadsheets being shared via email chains." - this also blows my mind, given how many problems there are with Excel (e.g. formatting).

The alternative is to have these business processes managed using internally developed software that may or may not be supported as time passes...

excel via email might (unfortunately) very well be the more robust and reliable way to go here

Re: I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months

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post #8

The idea of leaving before the year mark at a company that does signing bonuses stresses me the fuck out. Don't you have to pay back the bonus? When I got an Amazon offer that was the case

Amazon signing bonuses are there so they can compete on offers while retaining the internal culture metric of max salary.
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