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The Incredible Fig

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Re: The Incredible Fig

#31
The most popular figs to eat are:

Kadota: doesn't need pollinating

Brown Turkey: doesn't need pollinating

Black Mission: doesn't need pollinating

Adriatic: doesn't need pollinating

Calimyrna: must be pollinated by a wasp

So in conclusion it is unlikely that if you pick a random fig from the supermarket that it was pollinated by a wasp.

Re: The Incredible Fig

#33
> It seems astounding that other species have not evolved this adaptation to outcompete for light, space, and water by starting at the top.

I'm surprised by this sentence. At least Northern Rātā, and I'm sure other epiphyte species, do this.

Re: The Incredible Fig

#34
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Figs have wasps remains in them. Wasps are a necessary step for pollination, explained here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hofmeister_kink

This is great. I spent 30 minutes on Wikipedia reading about automotive design!

This is weird for me. You're not going to believe this but a long time ago I worked in a BMW factory making the rear pillar for the 3-series. It was made of about 4 pieces which were already cut and shaped. I clipped these pieces into a machine which would then spot-weld them together. I would take out the finished piece and load it onto a rack (this is probably all automated now). My qouta was about 480 pieces per shift which kept me really busy. I didn't even know that this shape was called a Hofmeister kink.

Re: The Incredible Fig

#35
I never did like figs at all. It's the bland, peppery taste that closes up the throat.

It was many years later when I discussed this with a friend who was telling me how wonderful his fresh figs were, and found that there was no peppery itching in his experience of figs. And came to the conclusion that I most likely have a mild fig allergy. It doesn't make them dangerous to me, just unpleasant; unless maybe I ate 100 figs, and there's no chance of that.

I still don't like them. De gustibus non disputandum est.

Re: The Incredible Fig

#36
post #18

This is one of those articles where the author claims to have experience in the area and then states something so wrong you have to wonder what else they're incorrect about. "...although the word “fruit” is deceptive because figs are anatomically not really fruits but a cluster of hundreds of flowers enclosed in a smooth skin." Figs are a fruit. It's basically the definition of a fruit. If you want to say figs aren't…

A true fruit is only from the ovary[0] so it doesn't meat the strict definition as it includes the entire flower(s). As I understand there is debate about this but my dad is a botanist and I've heard him call figs "false fruits". You may disagree on that point but I don't think it's sufficient to discredit the author. [0] https://www.britannica.com/science/ovary-plant

I suppose if you want to narrowly define it in that way. But again, if figs are not fruits, then neither are the closely related mulberries. Pineapple is also not a fruit when defined like that.

I've definitely heard it as a tongue-in-cheek thing the way arborists complain about palm trees and call them "glorified grasses". That actually makes more sense to me though, as they're monocots.

-They're not fruit.

-What are they?

-They're a multiple fruit.

I'm not sure when it would be helpful to only consider fruits as coming from the ovary. There's other words for that and I don't understand why some like to define fruit in that way. Is there maybe a historical reason for it?

Edit: Wrote that they were aggregate fruits for some reason. Changed it to multiple fruits.

Re: The Incredible Fig

#37
post #26

When I see figs come up in popular media lately, it's always in regards to the unlikely way in which they're pollinated in the wild. While it is very interesting, and may possibly be important to people eating vegan diets, it feels to me like it's missing a big part of the story of figs. Figs have an incredibly rich history and present - they were apparently one of the first plants cultivated by humans and they have…

> and may possibly be important to people eating vegan diets I just wanted to chime in and say that it's not important, at least not for the vast majority of vegans or others following vegan diets. Most of us are aware that plant foods are not without consequence to animals (e.g. there are likely some ground-up insects in flours). Veganism is more about not willingly/knowingly exploiting or violating the consent of a…

Sadly, "plant food" has huge consequence to animals, and the mechanical destruction of insects is the least of it. Fields and plantations and orchards are chemical holocausts, pesticides and herbicides and fungicides wipe out most living things, some of them bioaccumulate and start attacking other parts of the food chain, others leech into ground water or rivers or oceans and quite often have horrible effects on aquatic life from amphibians to coral reefs. In some places and for some crops, larger pests might be culled (mice, rabbits, wild pigs, birds, fruit bats, deer, kangaroo, you name it). In food storage and processing is the same pest and fungacides with generally more emphasis on rodenticide chemicals which can also bioaccumulate and poison birds of prey, owls, snakes, etc. Then habitat destruction.

A person basically can't live in the modern world without destroying animals.

Although I do admire vegans who do it to try to make a difference there.

Re: The Incredible Fig

#38
post #26

When I see figs come up in popular media lately, it's always in regards to the unlikely way in which they're pollinated in the wild. While it is very interesting, and may possibly be important to people eating vegan diets, it feels to me like it's missing a big part of the story of figs. Figs have an incredibly rich history and present - they were apparently one of the first plants cultivated by humans and they have…

> and may possibly be important to people eating vegan diets I just wanted to chime in and say that it's not important, at least not for the vast majority of vegans or others following vegan diets. Most of us are aware that plant foods are not without consequence to animals (e.g. there are likely some ground-up insects in flours). Veganism is more about not willingly/knowingly exploiting or violating the consent of a…

The only reason I mention it is that - maybe in an effort to make these articles more enticing - they seem to all bring up the fact that you may be eating some amount of wasp when eating figs. I agree with you in that I don't think anyone I know who is vegan would care at all about this; not to mention the fact that many figs we eat don't need to be/aren't pollinated by wasps at all.

Re: The Incredible Fig

#39
post #26

When I see figs come up in popular media lately, it's always in regards to the unlikely way in which they're pollinated in the wild. While it is very interesting, and may possibly be important to people eating vegan diets, it feels to me like it's missing a big part of the story of figs. Figs have an incredibly rich history and present - they were apparently one of the first plants cultivated by humans and they have…

> and may possibly be important to people eating vegan diets I just wanted to chime in and say that it's not important, at least not for the vast majority of vegans or others following vegan diets. Most of us are aware that plant foods are not without consequence to animals (e.g. there are likely some ground-up insects in flours). Veganism is more about not willingly/knowingly exploiting or violating the consent of a…

I consider myself a vegan, but I guess I'd be rejected by the orthodox vegans because I really don't care if I consume honey and wonder why there's any fuss about it. I also consume oysters and sardines occasionally just to ensure I'm not running short on some nutrient that I'm not aware of - yes, I know I transgress especially in regards to the sardines (some vegans make exceptions for lifeforms that don't have a face like oysters) but it's only every couple of weeks or so. So the potential for wasps in my figs is just something that seems silly to worry about.

Re: The Incredible Fig

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A true fruit is only from the ovary[0] so it doesn't meat the strict definition as it includes the entire flower(s). As I understand there is debate about this but my dad is a botanist and I've heard him call figs "false fruits". You may disagree on that point but I don't think it's sufficient to discredit the author. [0] https://www.britannica.com/science/ovary-plant

I suppose if you want to narrowly define it in that way. But again, if figs are not fruits, then neither are the closely related mulberries. Pineapple is also not a fruit when defined like that. I've definitely heard it as a tongue-in-cheek thing the way arborists complain about palm trees and call them "glorified grasses". That actually makes more sense to me though, as they're monocots. -They're not fruit. -What ar…

Right, my dad would say none of those are "true fruits" I'm pretty sure. Also, some botanists say apples aren't technically fruits because they come from a different part of the flower.

Also, did I really misspell "meet" as "meat" in my other comment? Ugh.

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