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Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It really isn't if you are starting from an extremely low baseline.

So we should just ignore these numbers? Does this not warrant more information about what is causing these deaths?

I suspect you misunderstood the parent's point. Not being mind-boggling doesn't imply we should ignore it.

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Additional deaths of despair are on the order of 1-10% of COVID deaths. I agree they are tragic, but the numbers do not support your conclusion.

Well how they are distributed is also important IMO. If you kill one young person for every 10 elderly you save that's a clear tradeoff situation. I don't know what the right answer is of course but it's not as though lockdowns are cost free as some have suggested.

Keep in mind, it isn’t obvious that killing more of their parents and grandparents would lower deaths of despair in youth — Covid itself is (IMO) depressing, not just lockdown measures.

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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There are multiple interpretations here.

For example, if those disabilities are due to long COVID, then that would indicate that the cure is indeed not worse than the problem itself, but rather that the problem is even worse than we thought.

Why is the total deaths up? Are cancer deaths going up because the system is stressed by COVID? Are the people who are dying people who had COVID, or people who didn't?

Are people dying because they have more stress and less exercise? Are people dying because of the restrictions due to the pandemic? Are people dying because they have lost their job and no longer have access to health care? Are people dying because of hidden effects of a vaccine? Are people dying because social isolation causes follow-on problems?

That's not even to talk about Fentanyl and meth addiction, as mentioned above, which seems to be a confounding factor that started before COVID.

Perhaps there is a complex interaction of issues that will lead everyone to their own interpretation.

This data doesn't tell us any of those things. And it certainly doesn't say, one way or the other, if the cure was worse than the disease, or even what cure we are talking about.

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Why should we believe this biased source? >Davison said the increase in deaths represents “huge, huge numbers,” and that’s it’s not elderly people who are dying, but “primarily working-age people 18 to 64” who are the employees of companies that have group life insurance plans through OneAmerica. So he sees the data for non elderly people, because those are the people who have his company's plans. So he doesn't have…

Also this is a $100 billion company that is private and with only 2400 employees? Something doesn’t smell right.

Probably this is assets under management, not yearly sales or net income.

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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I wonder what the fentanyl factor is.

Fentanyl factor did not start in March of 2020.

2020 and 2021 both saw a sharp rise in fentanyl seizures at the border.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/fentanyl-seizur...

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Why should we believe this biased source? >Davison said the increase in deaths represents “huge, huge numbers,” and that’s it’s not elderly people who are dying, but “primarily working-age people 18 to 64” who are the employees of companies that have group life insurance plans through OneAmerica. So he sees the data for non elderly people, because those are the people who have his company's plans. So he doesn't have…

How many new young customers do they have? Maybe more people than before think about getting a life insurance and for whatever reason the more "fragile" ones are getting one.

Big employers in the US offer group life insurance to their employees without the need to opt in. Of course they have opt in add ons to increase the coverage, but in any case if you are employed and you die (knock wood) the insurance company’s phone will ring.

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Why should we believe this biased source? >Davison said the increase in deaths represents “huge, huge numbers,” and that’s it’s not elderly people who are dying, but “primarily working-age people 18 to 64” who are the employees of companies that have group life insurance plans through OneAmerica. So he sees the data for non elderly people, because those are the people who have his company's plans. So he doesn't have…

Also this is a $100 billion company that is private and with only 2400 employees? Something doesn’t smell right.

I think the $100bn number does not refer to the company revenue. According to the company, in 2016 revenue was close to $2bn [1]. It may instead refer to total assets under administration (which was $74bn in 2016, according to the same source).

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[1] https://www.oneamerica.com/newsroom/news-releases/oneamerica...

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Why should we believe this biased source? >Davison said the increase in deaths represents “huge, huge numbers,” and that’s it’s not elderly people who are dying, but “primarily working-age people 18 to 64” who are the employees of companies that have group life insurance plans through OneAmerica. So he sees the data for non elderly people, because those are the people who have his company's plans. So he doesn't have…

Also this is a $100 billion company that is private and with only 2400 employees? Something doesn’t smell right.

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